Every once in a while I get that ominous feeling that killing and specially making animals suffer just for me to eat meat, fish and lactose is extremely wrong, but then I kinda forget.

I kinda see myself hunting wild game though so it’s weird.

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“hurting” does nothing equal “killing”. There are ethical ways to kill, like the guillotine

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Thanks. I don’t find any of the (sustainable) anti-hunting or fishing arguments very compelling, but I did like the bit about extractivist vs participatory vs productivist objections. On a purely hypothetical level, I do find myself aligning with the producitivist view – if the mad landlord is really going to buy and cook the food anyway, and there is nothing we can do to stop him, is it bad to consume it?

Also, I don’t see why the line should be drawn at plant matter? why are plants ok to eat?

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That point wasn’t really made in your previous comment, which seems to just conflate suffering and killing. And furthermore I don’t really see the parallels here between eating meat and genocide. seems like a bit of a stretch. Humanity has evolved eating all kind of meats, and your point about the genocide killing being 100 percent set isn’t even true: the nazis had considered deporting european jews for a while. And where is the abstraction with hunting? The hunter is a discrete entity who manages the whole process. it isn’t some factory farm operating behind a veil, everything is plain to them, and the concrete, end goal is the acquisition of food.

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