Every once in a while I get that ominous feeling that killing and specially making animals suffer just for me to eat meat, fish and lactose is extremely wrong, but then I kinda forget.
I kinda see myself hunting wild game though so it’s weird.
No, I don’t plan on becoming vegan
I already did
No true leftist is an omni.
Dairy is a cruelty product, eggs are a cruelty product, the factory farming industry employs immigrants in exploitative conditions often undocumented giving the farmers control over their lives. Indentured servitude, modern slavery.
Unless you’re hunting deer for your meat, which is still cruel, you contribute to this system that is very easy to avoid with slight inconvenience.
(Unless you’re living in some food desert and must eat animal products to continue living, in that case there’s no choice.)
Go vegan comrades, do we have a vegan comm yet?
You’re right, but saying shit like
No true leftist is an omni
is fallacious and cringe
yeah that’s ultraleft deviation, the primary contradiction in human society is class, so ultra-vegans damning 99.999…% of people with normal diets and pretending they’re still doing politics, and that they just won it, isn’t going to work - colonizer thinking
but I liked the rest of the post and agreed with it
Unless you’re hunting deer for your meat, which is still cruel, you contribute to this system that is very easy to avoid with slight inconvenience.
I get that it’s slight inconvenience for some but you should be mindful of people who have history of eating disorders or other health issues that make it functionally impossible to be restrictive about their food. I opt for plant based protein when I can and have been working on adding more to my culinary repertoire but for the time being my mental health isn’t in a place where I can fully drop meat and animal products.
There are few dietary restrictions that actually require you to eat animal products, they’re far more unhealthy for you.
If it’s some kind of protein deficiency there is plenty of non-animal protein sources, the vegan default is beans ofc and it’s dead cheap.
I know that it involves cruelty, but everything in capitalism involves cruelty. The veggies that I buy get harvested by Romanian workers for 2€ / h, getting cramped near the farm and spreading covid like wildfire, working in every weather. Pretty sure humans died for my mobile phone retrieving copper in the Congo or get sick manufacturing the electronics in China.
I try to avoid meat and cruelty, but I think this fixation on food is pretty liberal and weird, since there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. I blame nobody for consumption choices, especially since those are often a financial necessity (the meat industry gets tons of subsidies here in Germany)
Those animals eat the veggies, you’e doubling up on immigrant slavery, environmental impact, resources wasted, etc. One is demonstrably worse because it first requires the other.
Not Vegan but I agree.
My love of Ben and Jerry’s shouldn’t triumph over ethics.
Vegetables are a cruelty product. They use animal compost, pesticides, and involve removing wildlands for farming. Our technological level does not allow for a fully vegan society without the deaths of many of our population.
This is the issue of individualism. You aren’t changing a system nor are you advancing technological progress. I do think society will eventually be vegan out of pure efficiency, but that will only happen with technology.
… you do realize that those vegetables you’re eating are being harvested by the very same slaves, right?
For the most part, if you’re eating meat in 2020, you’re eating more vegetables indirectly through the animals you’re eating, so whatever slave labor is used to grow the vegetables that the animals eat is still more than whatever slave labor is used to grow the vegetables a vegan eats.
We can fix that by changing labor relations. There’s no way to make animal agriculture not terrible.
Every once in a while I get that ominous feeling that killing and specially making animals suffer just for me to eat meat, fish and lactose is extremely wrong
That’s the unquiet ghosts of the animals you’ve murdered tormenting you for your crimes
Vegan btw
firstly, I’d like to have a healthy relation with food, before trying anything funny
Can’t imagine how much of an asshole some one would have to be to downbear you for this. Same boat as you, would love to some day but right now I can’t or else I’ll stop eating altogether. Solidarity <3
I guess I get it, referring to veganism as something funny wasn’t exactly respectful, that was a cheap and unecessary jab on my part, but I can’t help it // e:wording
Yea, this comes up a lot in the vegan sub, and I always make a point to tell people their health has to come first. Part of being healthy about being vegan is knowing that you’re getting everything you need from your diet, and if using a tracking app or something is going to fuck you up, definitely just do what you can to be healthy first and foremost.
Fair call, I’ve always had a rotten relationship with food from depression / anxiety stemming from childhood abuse. Used to eat maybe once a day and starve myself for as long as possible on purpose etc. Funnily enough, since moving in with a vegan and doing a lot of the cooking that started to clear up. Once I decided to go vegan myself it got even better. It totally changed my relationship with food, but that might just be personal experience. I still have my bad times, and some really rough ones, but all in all my relationship with food is way, way better today than it ever has been.
I don’t hunt
Boy I saw you hunting for the non-squishy grapes in the bowl BOY DON’T YOU LIE TO ME
Those same deer leave forests for parks during hunting season. They’re aware of the looming threat to their lives.
Do you have a source on this? Not doubting you but it sounds interesting and I’d like to read more
That’s the first step.
The next is replacing dairy which is really easy now for any purpose. Except cheese, that’s not perfect yet.
Odd, my experience has been the opposite, plant milk is three times the price of cow or twice the price of sheep/goat, but the “cheese” is pretty reasonable
I guess it varies pretty wildly by location
