Every once in a while I get that ominous feeling that killing and specially making animals suffer just for me to eat meat, fish and lactose is extremely wrong, but then I kinda forget.
I kinda see myself hunting wild game though so it’s weird.
Can we compromise and keep eggs milk and cheese? I know it’s selfish but those would be way harder for me to give up.
It’s the breeding of dairy cows where the rape comes in, not the milking
Not sure if the downbears are from milk drinkers, or vegans who can’t read
Yeah that’s the thing for me when it comes to dairy products, that they ultimately rely on factory farming. Raising chickens and eating their eggs I dont have as much a problem with
…Is that really what you think people are talking about?
When they talk about raping cows, it’s because of this:
https://www.americancattlemen.com/articles/different-ai-techniques-and-method-fertility (Warning: It’s a picture of a farmer with his arm up a cow’s ass, for those of you who might be sensitive to that kind of thing.)
I would argue that eggs could be produced ethically, though they would likely be a lot more expensive to do so, but dairy is pretty indefensible, imo.
Backyard chickens can certainly live a good life if they’re well cared for, and I don’t really have much of a problem with that, but if we’re talking about the societal level, the amount of land and water required to scale it is insanely high compared to plants. If you’re not talking about keeping them on cleared land, and instead keeping them in wooded areas, that’s cool, but also has it’s own issues. Overall, though… if you have the land, raise some pet chickens and eat their eggs.
Wait you guys call yourselves leftists and you’re not vegan?
I don’t see anything wrong with hunting for personal or communal sustenance - pretty much every omnivorous animal on earth does it in some form. I know several leftist vegans who feel the same way, but I don’t think that fits the mainstream vegan narrative. Either way, I do think that factory farmed food products are immoral and I wish I were better about avoiding them.
Ideally, I’d like to set up an aquaponics-based veggie greenhouse using a breeding tank of tilapia. I also want to keep chickens for eggs but not for meat. I’d occasionally hunt when the need arises, but at least I’d be completely free of factory farms - that’s enough for me to feel like I’m living ethically.
“hurting” does nothing equal “killing”. There are ethical ways to kill, like the guillotine
I definitely will when I leave home and I can actually choose my own meals. I don’t really think it’s wrong for people to eat animals - we are omnivores after all - but the meat and animal products industry are just horrific
As it stands, those animals are being slaughtered whether I choose to eat meat or not. My personal choices have no bearing on the suffering of those animals. They were dead and gone long before I even thought about consuming them. The butchers and factory farmers will continue to do their work regardless of whether they are getting my business or not. I continue to eat meat because I refuse to let their suffering be turned into waste. Killing the animal and inflicting suffering, and then allowing that death and suffering to become waste is the greater sin imo.
That being said, I have no aversion to reducing or eliminating meat from my diet; and I hope that the world we are all building has less to no room for meat consumption in it either by choice or necessity.
