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And Biden is objectively worse for people abroad.

I’d be curious to hear your breakdown as to why this is. With regards to North Korea, as well as fumbling in Venezuela and not invading Iran (when there were ghouls like bolton and pompeo in his administration), he’s been better in terms of outcomes in comparison to other Republican administrations. However, there’s also the giant increase in drone strikes, the escalation with Iran in the first place (a dem probably would have stuck with the Iran deal), and shitty smaller things like declaring Jerusalem the undivided capital of Israel.

I guess I can see where you’re coming from. Trump just does whatever he thinks will make him look good, whereas often times, a long costly war has harmed presidential legacies in the eyes of the public. Plus, Biden has attacked Trump from the right on foreign policy, and has people like Colin Powell speaking at his convention.

But like unless we have reason to believe Biden is definitely going to invade more countries (he very well might), it’s hard for me to see him as objectively worse for people abroad.

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The man voted for the Iraq war…

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I agree that that was terrible. If you think that sufficiently makes Biden objectively worse than Trump for people abroad, could you please elaborate as to why?

I mean it’s hard to figure out exactly how to weigh a senile guy cheerleading a war a decade and a half ago that ended up killing over a million people against another senile guy who with basically unilateral control over the US foreign policy has done a lot of imperialism, but was not as bad as he could have been.

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Biden critiques Trump’s stance on foreign policy from the right – he promises to be stronger in the ME and is generally opposed to the stance the Trump govt takes in terms of withdrawal from costly engagements.

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