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“You didn’t immediately abolish the state? That’s not real socialism! That’s right, socialism has never been tried!”
This person would say that the Soviet Union and China didn’t abolish commodity production in favor of production regulated by the criterion of use-value, which according to Marx is what characterizes the transition from capitalism to socialism.
Excuse me for having more than one neuron and knowing what leftcoms think.
Sounds like an alright answer to me, although you would think China and Russia would be more like the Asiatic mode of production.
:mao-wtf: Maoists rejecting the Soviet Union as a whole as not socialist would be odd, though. :mao-wtf:
I really loath this obsession with the state. The state is the state of affairs. The state is the status quo. There is always a state. Even Communism is a state. A civilization with no leaders and no hierarchy is a state. It has a nature to it. It has fundamental laws by which it operates, even if they take the form of physical limitations as opposed to bourgeois legal codes. The entire world has brainworms.
Nation-states are fucking garbage, but you know what? We live in a world dominated by nation states. Where the USA ends, Mexico begins. Where Mexico ends, Guatemala begins. If there is a Communist revolution in Mexico, it won’t do a damn thing about the confines of the global nation-state system. That revolution will have to navigate within that global system until the entire system as we know it is gotten rid of.
Nation-states are fucking garbage, but you know what? We live in a world dominated by nation states. Where the USA ends, Mexico begins. Where Mexico ends, Guatemala begins. If there is a Communist revolution in Mexico, it won’t do a damn thing about the confines of the global nation-state system. That revolution will have to navigate within that global system until the entire system as we know it is gotten rid of.
:this: Elimination of the “state” is necessarily international.
