It’s a great way to expand people’s imagination beyond a return to American social democracy and to imagine bigger possibilities.

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The problem with anti work ideology when coming from the imperial core (not using anti work as a striking/bargaining tatic, just straight up wanting to never do anything/abolish work) is that it’s basically an implication that the global south must slave away to produce everything for them. Like seriously, how do they plan to maintain any semblance of modern life without work being done at some point? It’s not anarchist to just offload the work to places or people you can’t see.

Like they say that the CCP or other global south countries/tankie groups are “pro work”, but never wonder why that is. Spoiler alert, it’s because they have to make everything for the west so that they can maintain a higher standard of living. While that may be in the process of collapse, and poor people/workers are still treated horribly in the imperial core, the answer to that is not permanently abandoning work as a concept. If imperial core countries want to have an anarchist/socialist future without exploitation and imperialism, a lot of work will need to be done by the citizens of those countries, that was done previously by the citizens of the global south.

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Ending division of labour ≠ ending labour

(Unfortunately a lot of people don’t understand this on that sub)

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Even then division of labour won’t be ended completely. Some jobs that are necessary to maintain society still require specialised training that takes years to perform, like doctors. Though that could be argued to be a justified hierarchy/division.

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They talk about that in their wiki

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I was posting about this on here a week or so ago.

So many in the sub simply don’t want to do anything that benefits themselves or others. Somone’s gotta chop the wood or dig up potato’s in the anarchy camp, you can’t all be camp philosophers or camp gamers and funkopop collectors.

A world without exploitation means everyone works for others in one way or another.

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is antiwork “we won’t produce anything” or is it “we’ll only produce what we need”? I thought it was the latter. granted that’s still not great on it’s own without a internationalist lens but the former is just straight up childish.

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It depends on who you ask. I guess the original mods think it’s “we’ll only produce what we need”, while the new userbase is om the we won’t do anything train.

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anti work is being against coerced labor (like wage labor, housewifery, etc.), against the division of labor (herdsman in the morning, critic at night, etc etc.) and against the binary of work/play. It doesn’t have anything to do with how much productive activity you’re engaging in

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Okay, fair enough

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Yeah I’m very sympathetic to the anti work line of thought because, yeah, work sucks, but at the end of the day some of it is necessary for survival.

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I agree, in the west, anti-work needs to be paired with degrowth and anti-imperialist politics, which is usually is since green anarchists are the ones most likely to advocate those ideas.

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