It’s a great way to expand people’s imagination beyond a return to American social democracy and to imagine bigger possibilities.
turns out they’re (the mod at least i’m sure there’s radicalizeable people on there) literally just against working, not the structures that make the life of the worker miserable, they just wish they were failson layabouts
I feel like some amount of labor (if it’s meaningful and contributes to society) is necessary for most humans - like we evolved to go hunting and make tools and shit.
The problem is the demonic corruption that work has become - no personal connection to the benefits of society (if there are any), no adequate rewards, jokingly short breaks, authoritarian management
It’s also worth considering that work/leisure is a constructed binary just like male/female, feminine/masculine, human/non-human. Jobs are a particular way of organizing productive activity, but so is volunteering, church service, houswifery, hobby and activism. Each is organized with its own social structure, is marked by its own signs, and is predicated on a different material base.
When serious anarchists say we’re anti work, we’re saying not just that we want shorter hours, more breaks, better compensation, more democracy, we’re saying that we want to fundamentally reorganize productive activity into something more playful.
Anything less is in my mind a half measure, and committing to the idea that a regular, blocked off portion of our time needs to be unpleasant.
Right, that’s part of the structure i’m talking about though. We shouldn’t be forced to do work that is in service to nothing (especially when the pay just keeps you in that eternal nothing loop as well). It feels good to accomplish things, it feels bad when you don’t. Jobs that inherently don’t matter will always make you feel bad.
You’re in service to a car manufacturer. They replace these parts constantly for every new model and your whole job is to make a buck for the brand and dealership to scam out of someone who overpaid already for a shitty car whose radiator failed.
These skills could however be used for beneficial things. Such as keeping public transit going. That’d probably feel a bit better.
What’s China doing to common the economy, reduce working hours, and remove the coercion inherent in capitalist markets? I can point out a few things in Venezuela, Rojava and Chiapas but know very little about the situation in China. Knowing those is important if you want to find points of unity with anarchists, and I’m genuinely curious.
Jailing/executing billionaires, steadily increasing control over the capitalist aspects of their country, a decent social safety net, nationalization of large scale industries, long term public and urban planning as well as infrastructure. All of these contribute to a greater relief on the working people. I’d like to ask the same specifically about Rojava, they’re am enclave at best, not a society let alone one with a population of over a billion, what does Rojava produce other than stolen oil to sell to America?
I don’t think producing merely enough to reproduce your population is a bad thing, though? why does there need to be an exportable surplus?
Why does everyone act so surprised that an anarchist subreddit is anti-state?
The problem with anti work ideology when coming from the imperial core (not using anti work as a striking/bargaining tatic, just straight up wanting to never do anything/abolish work) is that it’s basically an implication that the global south must slave away to produce everything for them. Like seriously, how do they plan to maintain any semblance of modern life without work being done at some point? It’s not anarchist to just offload the work to places or people you can’t see.
Like they say that the CCP or other global south countries/tankie groups are “pro work”, but never wonder why that is. Spoiler alert, it’s because they have to make everything for the west so that they can maintain a higher standard of living. While that may be in the process of collapse, and poor people/workers are still treated horribly in the imperial core, the answer to that is not permanently abandoning work as a concept. If imperial core countries want to have an anarchist/socialist future without exploitation and imperialism, a lot of work will need to be done by the citizens of those countries, that was done previously by the citizens of the global south.
Ending division of labour ≠ ending labour
(Unfortunately a lot of people don’t understand this on that sub)
I was posting about this on here a week or so ago.
So many in the sub simply don’t want to do anything that benefits themselves or others. Somone’s gotta chop the wood or dig up potato’s in the anarchy camp, you can’t all be camp philosophers or camp gamers and funkopop collectors.
A world without exploitation means everyone works for others in one way or another.
is antiwork “we won’t produce anything” or is it “we’ll only produce what we need”? I thought it was the latter. granted that’s still not great on it’s own without a internationalist lens but the former is just straight up childish.
lmao someone challenged them on it and it got worse
sectarianism is cringe folks, just like Reddit liberals
im waiting out a ban but ive posted some premium quality theory to antiwork2 instead
Why would you limit your audience like that? Also I’m gonna post some of your memes here they’re good
Theory: Soup is both a drink and a meal.
Do you remember those wacky microwavable soup cups Cambels came out with years ago, they even had a starbucks esque sippin lid.
They didn’t make sense because you’d want them for on the go but you still need a microwave to prepare it and by the time you’re on the go its cold anyway.
Bit Idea , encourage Antiwork to post the Wage in Google Reviews …
I have been, but what are the best posting hours?
Expect to be banned once they see this cross posted here.
