I’ve never met anyone in a Trot org IRL that I disagreed with anything on
Did you try bringing up Stalin or modern AES states at any point?
let this be a lesson for all young leftists new to organizing: whenever you meet someone cool, just go probing for inconsequential opinions that you disagree with and then stop associating with them when you find one
Oh boy, whatever gave you that idea? Did someone suggest to you that young leftists should do that? Any lessons on how they shouldn’t assume intentions which don’t exist?
Um, I’m not sure if you’re just playing along with it, but just in case you’re not… u/myopic was being sarcastic. Same with /u/SoyfaceKillah.
Actually socialism can only be achieved if you agree with me about stalin
Why is it so important that they have perfect opinions on a country neither of you will ever go to/doesn’t exist anymore?
Fuckin hell. The left has to stop jerking off to corpses and distant mirages. It’s obscene
I think you have a point. But speaking from inside the US, if someone thinks China or Cuba etc ought to be a target of US aggression then they are not my comrade. I might align with that person on particular tactical targets, but it’d be a serious error to think we really share bigger goals unless they come around to internationalism.
AES states
I’ve met Trots okay on this. Won’t call them “socialist” but are willing to rhetorically back China, Cuba etc vis a vis the US (and rhetorically back is all most of us practically do).
I’ve seen some too. I’ve also seen anarchists who are okay on this. Honestly, I don’t really mind leftists not calling them socialist so long as they understand US imperialism as a more urgent problem. What I take issue with is people spreading imperialist atrocity propaganda because they justified to themselves that the PRC is capitalist and therefore is just as bad as other capitalist countries.
