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Please don’t read comments until you’ve read this. It is very short and fast to read. It is radicalizing. It is a good short story to send to your friend who needs to understand what capitalism is. LeGuin wrote this in 1973, cementing her status as Chad Supreme of Fuck Mountain. Bow before her might.

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So, the entire story is poignant and heartbreaking, and its a poor reflection on our world that we have more people in the basement than in the utopia and we still can’t be happy. I wish the people didn’t walk away though, that seems tantamount to suicide when in reality we can’t simply leave the city, I wish they saved the child or died trying. But, one part stands separate from the rest to me and I’d like to talk about it on its own:

“They were not less complex than us. The trouble is that we have a bad habit, encouraged by pedants and sophisticates, of considering happiness as something rather stupid. Only pain is intellectual, only evil interesting. This is the treason of the artist: a refusal to admit the banality of evil and the terrible boredom of pain. If you can’t lick ‘em, join ‘em. If it hurts, repeat it. But to praise despair is to condemn delight, to embrace violence is to lose hold of everything else. We have almost lost hold; we can no longer describe a happy man, nor make any celebration of joy.”

I think this is a condemnation of so much #deep media, with the fetishization of suffering and pain. I think the reason I love shows like She-Ra and Kipo is their resolve to hope, to have characters be joyful and loving and that not be naïve. In Kipo it is even shown that loving your enemy won’t always work, but it is always worth the effort. No one is made stronger by their suffering, no one is helped by hate, it is so uplifting. Then I remember ASoIaF and how even the reader’s hopes and wants were used as ammunition to show just how mean and bad the world is. I want more media that dares to hope, to be happy and less grimdark.

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this is actually a whole subgenre in fantasy as long as grimdark stopped being ironic, maybe a dozen years ago. there’s always been this pushback against grimdark for exactly the reasons you’re citing.

for example, Malazan Book of the Fallen is an example of an intentionally, explicitly hopeful work that doesn’t shy away from the dark, grim, and dirty, but rather uses those things to highlight the nugget of hope that survives, celebrating it and the people who never gave up, who fought through the most futile of circumstances to unearth, at great personal cost. also, a decent chunk of the books feature explicit critiques of empire and capitalism.

there’s 10 books in the series and each one stands alone (except the ninth which is the only cliffhanger). the first book was written about a decade before the others so the writing quality is a bit worse but it’s fantastic from there on out. two warnings: 1. the books don’t hold your hand - if characters should already know stuff, it won’t get explained to you, so you sometimes have to wait a while for explanations; 2. some of the books are utterly heartbreaking. they really cut across the whole range of human emotions.

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I’ve heard so much good about Malazan, I should really jump in.

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Read through the whole thing in like 9 month period and let me tell you, they really don’t hold your hand. There’s stuff happening in book 1 that isnt explained until book 6 or so, but it’s a very rewarding read.

I enjoyed when some of that stuff comes up and your brain is like: “Oh wait a minute…THAT’S why that happened like 2000 pages ago!”

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I’m already reading Malazan so that’s covered. Do you have any other recommendations in the same vein?

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the main issue with most of the books that come to mind are the politics. they’re largely written by liberals, for liberals, and so you mostly have to take uncritical perspectives on empire, monarchy, and liberal freedoms as a kind of given - the books with decent politics are rare. so I have to divide my recommendations based on what you’re looking for and what you’re willing to tolerate. the one easy exception is NK Jemisin’s Broken Earth trilogy.

if you want a story about a great man and don’t mind philosopher-kings, Robin Hobb’s series are great. read these books for the amazing characterization stretching over long volumes that really leave you feeling like you know these people at least as well as you know yourself.

if you just want a plain happy story and can get past the completely uncritical lens the story brings to bear, the Goblin Emperor is one of the best antidotes to the erosion of hope.

if you want something a bit more historical, Guy Gavriel Kay’s works each stand alone and tell wonderful stories in real places, featuring real people, but with the whole thing twisted just a bit towards the fantastic. the names of the people and the places are always changed so that he can tell interesting stories about them. but they always planted from seeds rooted in the real world. my personal favorite is the Lions of al-Rassan, but you honestly can’t go wrong with any of them.

if you’ve already been through all of these, let me know and I’ll dig through my collection for some weirder stuff.

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So true. I’m in a book club (my friends and I started a zoom book club as a Covid coping mechanism) and so many “book club books” are so depressing. I don’t want to wallow in that shit! Give me something deep and hopeful, damn it.

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Point one: You should wish that they tried to save the child, but it makes sense why they wouldn’t–they don’t want to risk killing others by saving one. I think it’s also a good point though, in that a lot of the way our society is currently established, you either choose to participate or don’t, but you can’t change things.

Point two: Absolutely, she is all over saying fuck you to grimdark. It’s one reason I dislike DSN over TNG, because TNG is still very hopeful about the future.

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