Thank you @SeventyTwoTrillion for all your effort. :sankara-salute:

Old Map for reference

If you have any useful resource links please tag me in a comment with the link:

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to this if you can, thank you.

Links

Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1B1PLMhbHmG1aJ2-QNxHY1TksI6HlNhqF&ll=48.60777942568106%2C36.4496511633501&z=7

Leftist discussion threads:

https://hexbear.net/post/177324

https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/ :kitty-cri-texas:

https://lemmygrad.ml/

Twitter military updaters:

https://nitter.42l.fr/RWApodcast

https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary :kitty-cri:

https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet

https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike

https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael

https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518

https://www.youtube.com/c/DefensePoliticsAsia/videos

obvious disclaimers about taking all of them with tonnes of salt etc

Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413

Better war/propaganda analysis:

https://www.understandingwar.org

https://www.moonofalabama.org/

News updates:

https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html

Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html

YT/Video in Ukraine:

https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos

https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe

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It’s okay to remain neutral-skeptic. The Bucha massacre is weird the way it is being presented. The Mariupol theater airstrike narrative didn’t all add up, neither did the hospital shit. Nor does 90% of what you will read in MSM. I’m not going to carry water for RU but the way the media runs with these stories with limited information / no rock hard throbbing proof should be raising flags for anyone critical. The burden of proof is on the accuser, but that has never seemed to matter when it comes to western propaganda and consent manufacturing.

I mean Russia invaded a country and there are assuredly mass civilian casualties. What I am talking about is uncritically hopping on-board the consent manufacturing narrative because of muh optics. Don’t fall prey to moralistic individualism, and use that position as a bludgeon, like the Xinjiang shit. Everyone remembers the conversation in left spaces “I mean China bad so maybe they are doing a genocide we don’t really know yet, so lets just put it on the backburner.” As though your opinion or condemnation means or changes anything if Russia massacred a bunch of people and you decided to condemn it first.

This idea that we are obligated to publicly address condemn every single accusation by the western media is wrecker shit 101. It’s the same optics obsessed shit that podcasters concern themselves with, hyper-online-individualism, competing to form the perfect take on every piece of news. We should be collecting available information and applying a critical lens, not drawing conclusions prematurely.

I guess we did have that one person in here saying the most reputable sources are NYT and mediabiasfactcheck that got banned when I asked them to name their favourite propaganda. so thats cool.

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Me personally, I’m Chaotic-Contrarian.

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I don’t know, I like some consistency in people’s judgement. You had no problem condemning the war on Iraq or Libya? So you should have no problem condemning the war on Ukraine.

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Regarding civilian casualties:

From 4 a.m. on 24 February 2022, when the Russian Federation’s armed attack against Ukraine started, to 24:00 midnight on 2 April 2022 (local time), the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) recorded 3,455 civilian casualties in the country: 1,417 killed and 2,038 injured

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I’m fairly certain the Bucha massacre (and others we just don’t know about yet) happened at the hands of Russian soldiers or mercenaries. Why would any reactionary army be morally superior to the US army? I’m also certain that Ukrainian armed personnel is responsible for quite a few atrocities we may never learn about. This is what war is.

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I really don’t know how you can be fairly certain of that. Ukraine and the western media have been lying, overwhelmingly and obviously, so to take something they claim and say you are fairly certain of it seems foolish. So is ruling it out as impossible.

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Ukraine and the western media have been lying, overwhelmingly and obviously

Just like Russia. Also we’re talking about a bunch of very incompetent players. A conspiracy this big is a bit too much for them. Photos and videos from locals as well as from international press, intercepted radio communications, satellite images - this is more evidence than what Bush went to war with Iraq over. The massacre is also consistent with how the Russian army behaved in Chechnya and Syria, and with the behavior of Wagner mercenaries in Lybia.

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