didn’t
yes you did. you are blaming people other than the police for the violence the police inflict. the police inflict violence for any or no reason at all, depending on their mood and the larger interests of the system. blaming anyone but the pigs for their violence is actually cop behavior. not that throwing rocks from the back of the crowd is a good idea tactically, strategically, or ethically: it isn’t. but i still wouldn’t blame some angry 15 year old for not realizing that and throwing things at cops from the back of a crowd for the violence the cops decide to inflict on the peaceful front of the crowd. and the evidence to support my position is that many times people throw things from the back of a crowd and the cops DON’T decide to start attacking the front of the crowd because of it. it’s THEIR choice to engage in violence against peaceful protestors or not. always.
and your logic is used at every level of political engagement to blame each other instead of the oppressive capitalist state and it’s bodyguards:
people who just believe in voting blame people protesting for the violence inflict on non-protestors who happen to be in the area and get beat up by the cops. | / people who think you should protest with a permit blame people who protest without a permit for the violence inflicted on those who show up for the protest by the police. | / people who protest without on a permit on the sidewalk blame people who march in the street and don’t stay on the sidewalk for the violence inflicted upon the protestors on the sidewalk by the police. | / people who march in the street blame people who engage in vandalism during the protest for the violence inflicted on protestors who don’t damage property by the police. | / people who damage property during a protest blame people who engage in violence during a protest for the people who just damage property getting beat up/shot by the police.
etc. etc…
your logic is off base. you don’t blame anyone but the pigs for the violence the pigs engage in. to do otherwise is to divide and destroy social movements.
yes you did. you are blaming people other than the police for the violence the police inflict.
no, i’m saying anyone who uses unarmed protesters as a meat shield AND THEN LEAVES is probably a pig infiltrator. if you fight the cops with people who are actually organized, that’s not pig behavior. you’re talking past me.
you don’t blame anyone but the pigs for the violence the pigs engage in.
didn’t
i literally said, in a thread about cop infiltrators, with a literal photo of a cop infiltrator, that if a guy stands BEHIND everyone else, then THROWS SOMETHING then DISAPPEARS, he’s probably a FUCKING COP. therefore i am blaming FUCKING COPS. you’re being deliberately obtuse at this point if you think i’m not talking about COPS who INFILTRATE protests and then DELIBERATELY INITIATE VIOLENCE so that an UNPREPARED GROUP OF PROTESTORS GETS FUCKING MAULED.
you don’t know who is a cop and who isn’t though. that’s the point i am making. and when you say online that people who do as you said “are probably cops” it encourages people to cop-jacket those people at protests in the future. which happened all the fucking time during BLM by the way, with (usually white) liberals accusing young POC of being undercover cops.
you don’t know who is a cop and who isn’t though. that’s the point i am making.
that’s a point i would generally agreed with it, but you came out the gates with: “your attitude causes divisions among the oppressed” and " don’t blame people who are fighting back for the state’s violence against people."
which you sounded MIGHTY fucking certain that that’s what I was doing, especially since you followed up with “yes you did. you are blaming people other than the police for the violence the police inflict”
i presented a hypothetical police infiltrator and you took to attacking me, an actual person, in order defend a completely hypothetical pig infiltrator. weird shit. sanctimonious too. “oh but it’s actually probably just a 15 year old kid at his first protest who threw something then got scared.” let’s not twist ourselves into pretzels over this. I’m just saying the pigs infiltrate protestors and initiate hostilities, which is completely in keeping with STATE VIOLENCE AGAINST PEOPLE, something I would NEVER DEFEND.
btw to address your hypothetical, which came pretty late in this conversation, if some kid at his first protest gets 40 unarmed people with signs mauled because he decided to throw some shit and then run, then that’s terrible solidarity. that person is a liability whether they’re a cop or not. but I wouldn’t be surprised if pigs sent their little rittenhouse-ass children among protestors to stir up shit, too.
possibly, but also possibly it could just be an angry 15 year old who hates the cops and happens to be at the back of a crowd and gets mad enough to throw something, then leaves either because they get scared or their friends leave and they go too etc etc…
you can’t just cop-jacket people without real evidence. and again, i don’t think it’s fair to blame anyone but the police for their violence.
you can’t just cop-jacket people without real evidence.
good thing i’m just throwing out a rule of thumb of suspicious behavior and not pointing my finger at anyone specific, my god.
possibly, but also possibly it could just be an angry 15 year old who hates the cops and happens to be at the back of a crowd and gets mad enough to throw something, then leaves either because they get scared or their friends leave and they go too etc etc…
I think I can tell a fucking :the-pigs: from a literal undisciplined child, thanks
