Comment by Commander_Data [she/her]@hexbear.net on "We Need to Talk About Boomers" - an empathetic deep dive into the marginalization of the elderly as well as generalized warmhearted leftism.

I love this channel, and starting my day with this video, it put me into this amazing open-hearted place where I long to unite with others to build something better whereas I am much more prone, normally, to angrily wish to tear the capitalist’s world down.

Of course that’s true, everyone knows that “boomer” doesn’t refer to a person born between 1945 and 1965. It’s a very specific person with a very specific world-view. This is why “not all men” is the perfect analogy to combat all you concern trolls. Also, it’s not just capitalists that are the problem, but those who live privileged lives under the capitalist system because of their position in it. But you knew that already.

Saying “not all men” is a perfect analogy to “not all boomers” is like saying a 65 year old homeless woman also has the societal privileges of a wealthy person.

You just come off like you hate a certain class of people categorically and that you don’t spend much time worrying about the details.

There are humans born between 1945 and 1965 and there are “boomers”. The 65 year old homeless woman isn’t a boomer. No unhoused people are boomers. You’re right in that I do hate a certain class of people categorically, but you’re wrong that I haven’t spent much time thinking about the details.

If you know what you’re doing then it comes off as deliberate motte and bailey

it’s such lib shit, they would rather get to be like “actually ur immature and toxic, I didn’t mean literally all of that group” and feel superior than appeal to anyone who doesn’t already get/use their favorite radlib jargon

What is the safe opinion that I claim to now be defending? It’s farcical to claim that my original position was that everyone over a certain age is bad. For the better part of a decade now “boomer” has been used to refer to a very specific type of person. Nobody could reasonably believe that it simply refers to everyone born in certain years.

For the better part of a decade now “boomer” has been used to refer to a very specific type of person. Nobody could reasonably believe that it simply refers to everyone born in certain years.

That is only true if you’re terminally online. In meatspace, “boomer” still means “people who spend at least part of their childhood in the 60s.”

You’re kind of making my point for me, this IS a terminally online space.

It’s farcical to claim that my original position was that

Do you believe it’s possible to perform a motte and bailey strategy without using these exact words?

Nobody could reasonably believe that it simply refers to everyone born in certain years.

No one reasonable would, but it was not a reasonable person who replied to this comment with ‘not all men’. That’s why you’re catching shit. You doubled down hard.

I don’t even understand what point you all are trying to make. What makes a boomer a boomer is that they’ve had all the advantages possible in life and still operate under the delusion that their hard work alone is what has afforded them their comfortable position. Words don’t exist in a vacuum, they are contextual and the way I use “boomer” here is different than the way I’d use it in another context. I still say “not all men” is a perfect analogy. Most of my non-cismale friends have said, at one point, “men are trash”. In that context, a bunch of non-cismen hanging out and having a casual discussion, it’s assumed they aren’t referring to all men, or really even most men, but a very specific type of man. Of course, every so often a cis man will butt his head into our conversation and offer up a “not all men”. In this space, where all of us understand class politics, I feel like it should be understood that “boomer” means exactly what I’ve written. It should be obvious that being born between some arbitrary dates doesn’t determine whether or not you’re a capitalist. I don’t understand how anyone who spent any amount of time here could honestly believe that someone here is an unironic supporter of generational politics. It really just seems like concern trolling to me and a huge waste of energy. But I guess a video titled, “We need to talk about elder-care” isn’t going to get clicks and a post about that video isn’t going to generate any engagement on hexbear, so we get to have a huge struggle session over it.

and people with this kind of position always insist they don’t hate it as a category. and I often believe them, but I literally don’t get what the point in speaking categorically is if you don’t really mean it. it’s just contrarian and counterproductive. really weird attachment to pointlessly bad optics that to me reads mostly as cliquishness.

yeah, it’s the same tactic but with radliberalism instead of fascism.

the internet sucks shit lmao

not all men is a normal response to people saying confusing shit like “men are predators”. people don’t usually mean literally all men when they say but it’s unsurprising some people take it to mean that.

like we’re on the same page here about boomers but if you say in public “boomers are irredeemable” a lot of people will take that to mean all of them. Cause in most contexts just saying a general group like that means all. Its just in-group signaling to speak in generalizations but not really mean it, because some people wont share your definition of men or boomers or whatever else

No, “not all men” is the response of immature men who think that because you’re critical of toxic masculinity they need to defend themselves instead of listening to your concerns. This feels the same to me, like somehow we’re more concerned about the feelings of the two people over 50 reading this website that aren’t feds as opposed to the real harm boomers have caused in the world.

whatever, keep losing people because you’d rather only speak in broad generalizations than actually be clear about who you mean. it’s too hard to be specific, fuck anyone not already on the same page as 1000 online leftists.

This isn’t a space for engaging people who aren’t already on the same page, and you know that.

:liberalism: It’s not my job to educate you

:sankara-shining: “As revolutionaries, we don’t have the right to say we are tired of explaining. We must never stop explaining. We know that when the people understand, they cannot help but follow us.”

Omfg for the last time, this is not the space for educating the uninitiated. If I ranted about “boomers” on reddit or Twitter or Facebook or YouTube comments you’d have a legit gripe. People who aren’t already leftists don’t come here. To me, hexbear is a place to vent to my fellow comrades, not to do political education. Leave my irony poisoned :doomer: ass alone.

there are clearly people in this thread who did not get what you meant by boomers. I think this point stands really anywhere, you don’t know who your audience is and it’s extremely easy to speak with clarity instead of vague generalizations. inevitably you will confuse someone with bad rhetoric, so why use it?

There are clearly people in this thread who are concern trolling.

Breadtube if it didn’t suck.

Post videos you genuinely enjoy and want to share, duh. Celebrate the diversity of interests shared by chapochatters by posting a deep dive into Venetian kelp farming, I dunno. Also media criticism, bite-sized versions of left-wing theory, all the stuff you expected. But I am curious about that kelp farming thing now that you mentioned it.

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There is a cytube that you can paste videos into and watch with whoever happens to be around. It’s open submission unless there’s something important to commandeer it with at the time.

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