Yeah they may not be communists but they have a place in shifting the overall perception of socialism to the point where we can introduce communism.
Idk where people get the idea that DSA is going to push me towards communism. Basically every single DSA person I’ve ever met is wholly subsumed by liberal hegemony and will drop everything to try and get a social fascist elected dogcatcher. Like they’re still just trying to elect “”“”“”““socialists””“”“”“” to city council here in Baltimore as if that’s going to do a fucking thing. I know different chapters have different characteristics but honestly the class character of DSA as a whole is petit bourgeois. Isn’t it like 30% of their members make over $100k/yr?
Alienating folks because they make a high wage is silly. If they work for a living then they likely identify more with you than their multi-millionaire CEO. Also, a post-revolution society will need individuals who are currently paid well under our capitalist system. Shunning potential class traitors moves them right.
If they work for a living then they likely identify more with you than their multi-millionaire CEO.
The CEO also “works for a living.”
It’s not about shunning people, but recognizing how the class composition of an organization affects it’s politics
This is definitely true in terms of electoralism but I can’t really be entirely against them given how much their organising efforts are genuinely helping. They’ve got some good organisers that do good work and even if it’s helping them grow I think it’s helping all the left grow, particularly when libs show up to protests and get shot at by cops for doing nothing at all.
and will drop everything to try and get a social fascist elected dogcatcher.
I don’t think we’ll ever get to “vote” for socialism so in that sense I’m anti-electoralism… but how is this a bad thing? Someone like Lee Carter is able to get into the system and at least try and make things better for the working class. So it has the two-pronged effect of maybe improving people’s lives a little and definitely showing the public that we care about the working class and want to fight for them.
I mean, DSA = electoralism. And while electoralism is limited, if you think it’s a worthwhile endeavor then I dunno, DSA seems pretty alright to me.
Isn’t it like 30% of their members make over $100k/yr?
Who else is gonna shell out $50 annually to join a political party?
shifting the overall perception of socialism
the Overton Window is idealism not materialism
Maybe if we just change the ideas in everyone’s heads the material reality will change :liberalism:
It’s not incorrect that the residue of McCarthyism and American culture has put up an obstacle between the working class and socialism.
People aren’t going to have their material conditions deteriorate to an arbitrary point then suddenly say “hm, yes, time for Communism” if they’ve been primed to hate anything to do with socialism since birth.
