Comment by Red_Left_Hand [none/use name]@hexbear.net on The War Nerds are interviewing Seymour Hersh about the Nord Stream Pipeline

I agree that there was a big problem there. Seems to me they failed to solve it.

Sure, if your cutoff for a solution is “right now”. The people of Ukraine voted for an anti-war president and he couldn’t stop the war crimes. Is there another solution you see to the eight year long problem?

And the invasion was a “solution”? For who? I don’t see how it resolved anything. It was deeply stupid and denying that is weird imo since they obviously thought they’d be able to trounce Ukraine like they did Georgia in 2008 and call it a day after a week but here we are a year later and its just escalating and the possibility for real peace for people in the region just worse than ever before.

what is the abscene of a peacetreaty , and what would you do if this here + Zelensky under applause declaring his persude of Nuclear Weapons at the Munich Security Council , is the reaction on your diplomatic initiative…

not that there are not other Reaction then the invasion and other goals , but i want you to state an actuall alternative Strategy not just “invasion bad” …

how do you play it ?

Edit: I would have first shut sown the landline pipelines to europe as a treat, and offere an donbass specific ulitmatum …

Do you have an alternative proposal? This conflict was going to happen one way or another because of NATO and America’s arming literal nazis. I don’t think there’s any reasonable analysis of this that doesn’t acknowledge that.

Oh cool, thank god Russia doesn’t arm literal nazis such as, let’s say, the Wagner group.

Please, if you are trying to analyze the conflict don’t sound like you are trying to turn Putin into some antinazi icon.

Does Wagner do pogroms in Russia? Do they run any ministries? This is tired NAFO fella rhetoric.

Oh cool, do nazis run ministries in the US, do they commit progroms??? I guess they are not a problem either.

Lmao, thank god nazis are not a problem unless they control the upper echelons of the government.

Georgia did. After NATO built them up for years they tried to grab a slice of South Ossetia. They got their asses handed to them on a platter. The corporate media then tried to spin it as Russian disinformation. Why wouldn’t Ukraine?

Russia is untenable as a nation if Ukraine is not at least neutral, and everyone knows it. Why else did NATO spend so much effort trying to get Ukraine in? It’s a springboard for invasion.

sorry but the idea of Ukraine invading Russia or something is just dumb, they didnt pose any serious threat lol cmon

Are you serious? NATO were training them and built them up. They might not invade Russia, but donbass region? They have the capability to do it. It might be dumb from your perspective, but after 2014 and the ethnic Russian in that region separate, it’s basically becoming a civil war and there’s no way Russia, Putin or not would let the whole Ukraine be control by nato/nato train force.

I dont care if Ukraine invades itself, thats its own business. The idea Ukraine would really pose any real threat to Russia is just dumb, its the poorest country in Europe and Russia has 6000 nuclear warheads.

Yeah no, the Ukrainians were absolutely building up for an invasion of Crimea, that was explicitly the position of the coup regime

You don’t maintain a 700,000 strong army just to have it sit on Russia’s borders for eternity

Ukrainian military buildup from 2014 represented the largest, by percentage of population, non-superpower military buildup since WWI. They weren’t just building it up for funsies. What they were going to use it for, I couldn’t say, but you generally don’t build up that much of a military while in the middle of a civil war and not use it to retake the area that has separated.

Plus probably Crimea, since they were talking about it so much.

I mean they did trounce them considering Ukraine was ready to sign the peace agreement in April…until the west sabotaged it and proceeded to empty Europe of arms in a successful bid to prolong the war

The cutoff for the present “solution” seems to be never. The lines on the map are barely moving. The Wagner guy says 2 more years I think. And if Ukraine capitulated tomorrow, revanchism and irredentism are going to be majority positions in a country full of traumatized veterans and ATGMs.

I can’t know how a different approach would have worked out. But when you send in the tanks you take responsibility for how it turns out.

There was no other solution because America and NATO weren’t going to let this go another way. It was 2022 or sometime soon for this conflict to blossom, and Russia simply took the initiative.

Morocco is constantly undermining spanish authority, planting bugs in the presidential palace and constantly stirring shit up. Should Spain invade Morocco, then? Maybe they should take the initiative too.

Are they shelling civilians? Why is it so hard for liberals to remember the status quo before the Russian invasion?

Yes, lmao. They murdered 50 inmigrants with the complicitness of the spanish government a few months ago.

Morocco isn’t trying to take over Andalusia or install a coup government in Spain, and NATO isn’t trying to break Spain into tiny pieces

Morocco woulf be Ukraine in my (admitely shitty) analogy.

Yes, they are actively bombing the Sahara. No, they don’t need to, Morocco is already cozy with the US. Yes, it used to be, and Morocco is bombing said citizens. Yes, they are being murdered by the moroccan regime. No, the spanish bourgoisie is deep in morocco’s pocket and don’t care about it. Yes, as i said, they invaded said region in the 70s.

Hmm seems like you Poles have a big problem with fascists doing pogroms. The Soviets have failed to solve it (You in 1942)

This is the entire fascist NATO west using Ukraine as a proxy army and putting Russia in a corner. Russia has no choice but to fight, and for the good of humanity we should all hope they win again, as they did in WW2 against the demons from the west.

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