Help me settle a bet plz

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Actually I’ve never had that recording discomfort. My voice sounds different from inside than from outside just like everyone else’s, but it has never sounded ‘wrong’ to me. Though I get that’s a very common experience and understand where you’re coming from.

That doesn’t really get me any closer to understanding what a man is supposed to be.

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Dammit, and that’s the first time I used that analogy too. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help

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I’m trying to understand though. Do you mean that being a man is kinda just vibes like the unclear qualities which make someone happy or unhappy with the sound of their voice? That to be a man is to be content with the idea of being seen as a man?

Because though I can’t speak from experience, I feel like I could equally easily accept being seen as a man or woman. Like if I grew up being told I was a man and that some men just happen to have my body parts and that I’m expected to be boyish/manly and take an interest in masculine things, I don’t think that would ever have made me uncomfortable. I’d have the same mix of traditionally masculine and traditionally feminine interests that I have now and probably have eventually settled on presenting my appearance basically the same way I do now. But I’d go by different pronouns.

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That to be a man is to be content with the idea of being seen as a man?

I think that’s pretty spot on. Anything more specific is both culturally and personally contextual. I’ve said elsewhere in the thread that, as an AMAB person, I got a lot out of reading the writings of trans men. Just put my conception of masculinity into perspective.

I also personally wasted a lot of time early on in my gender exploration intellectualizing the concept of gender. Some of it was useful. A lot of it wasn’t. Gender exploration is both easiest and hardest when you’re just trying stuff out.

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