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Even if we assume this is 100% correct and that being trans was something that happened to someone because of some kind of chemical exposure completely against their will, wouldn’t that make trans rights all the more important and humane? Like, in this scenario these people have essentially been poisoned against their will and are then seeking medical treatment to ease their suffering. That would make transphobia and violence against trans people even dumber and stupider than it already is

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The underlying assumption of the JRE sphere (not exclusively, but definitely there) is that illness is a personal failure, as such, it tracks that these removed would need to be fought against

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This is just like before science any illness used to get blamed on sinning or otherwise upsetting the gods. Health capitalism is where market forces are the gods and individual responsibility is to blame on how market forces effect you.

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The right-wing emphasis on inDivIDuaL ReSpoNSibIlIty ties back to their fundamental ideology of natural inequality and, as a result, their categorical denial of environmental factors and systemic issues. Basically “If something bad happens to you, it’s because of your personal failings. Your personal failings come from you being a naturally undeserving person.”

This ideology serves to justify horrendous inequality as being the natural order of things, for example it allows you to claim “Well it wouldn’t matter if I gave this homeless person a house, they would just sell it for drugs and alcohol and be back on the streets in 2 weeks.” That is quintessentially how they think. Every individual has a god-given “quality” assigned to them at birth and the “superior” people will naturally gravitate towards their rightful place in the hierarchy over the course of their life, and this hierarchy must be preserved.

Once you understand this, all right-wing rhetoric makes sense. If trans people get mocked and harrassed by society, that is because they are naturally inferior and less valuable people, and them seeking equal rights is literally an affront to fundamental right-wing ideology because it is an attempt to undermine the natural hierarchy.

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So what if chemicals make us who we are? Every emotion is just chemicals in your brain too; that doesn’t make them any less valid.

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Yeah exactly

My support for trans people has nothing to do with why they’re trans

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So, because this is all vague and counterfactual, the answer is both difficult to determine and pointless, but it would depend on if it was caused only by continuous exposure and how difficult it was to reverse. I think the normal “medical ethics” answers would be: If it needs continuous exposure, the answer would be to simply stop poisoning the water, with little else needed (and obviously should be done in any case). If it was easy to reverse in a non-invasive way, that would probably be the better solution. If it was difficult to reverse or overly invasive, that would represent the hardest-to-determine range of scenarios. If it was irreversible, then yeah just give them treatment like we currently do.

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And if it was a chemical in the water (which to be clear, I really don’t think it is), it would clearly be a permanent effect after exposure, because otherwise trans people would move to like, some place with proper drinking water regulations (or whatever the “source” is) and 5 years later just start to detransition or something

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Obviously it’s not actually a chemical in the water, it was just a question of what would be “correct policy” if it was. Just to be extra clear, we’re talking about politics in a fantasy world.

But yeah, I think you’re right. I suppose it depends on how widespread the conspiracy supposedly is, but we can probably presume Russia and Iran aren’t trans-ing their population and yet we don’t have testimonies of such cases, so it must be permanent (or permanent after a certain amount of exposure, like a chronic injury).

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10 points

It would be pretty awesome if it was true because it would mean we could trans all the chuds.

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It’s not a contradiction if they’re eugenicists.

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