https://libreddit.kavin.rocks/r/TheDeprogram/comments/11s7x4u/badempanada_uyhgers_video/

Found in the Deprogram subā€™s discussion ofnit which is quite good. Radio War Nerd also does this beating around the bush with Zenzā€™s beliefs. To say nothing of Deprogram & RWN Russia takes,

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I like this thread, Iā€™ve seen it before but I donā€™t really understand the disdain tbh, the thread is making fun of him for trying to find a nuanced position? thatā€™s what we all do, you can say itā€™s bad analysis but calling him a radlib seems weird. He has plenty of other things to criticize about him as far as his online behavior goes

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How is it nuanced? He doesnā€™t even explore terrorism in the region. He skirts around the topic he wants to get engagement off as a third rail issue.

Saying states have never treated minorities right is very reductive. Iā€™m doubtful thatā€™s someone whoā€™s ever taken a nuanced look at the history of, say the USSR.

Nuanced position between the Victims of Communism Foundation & strawman who supports everything the govt could hypothetically do seems like a cynical deliberate choice to me

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Iā€™m not saying it was a great take, Iā€™m disagreeing with the framing of the beginning of the thread. I agree with the rest of the thread, not sure where that got mixed up. I think itā€™s possible to try and be nuanced and miss really badly, I know Iā€™ve had my fair share of bad takes

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I think we should all be way more judgmental about how people try to make us spend an hour after work.

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Saying ā€œactually both sidesā€ or ā€œthe truth is somewhere in the middleā€ doesnā€™t automatically mean thereā€™s nuance

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Between ā€œitā€™s genocideā€ and ā€œnothing morally objectionable is happeningā€ the truth is somewhere in the middle, I understand Chinaā€™s policy in Xinjiang but I would prefer it were different

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Itā€™s a program that impacts millions of people, there is going to be variance no matter what, and there would be ā€œvery concernedā€ people who just want ā€œnuanceā€ no matter what, because that variance that exists in reality will always produce at least some poor outcomes to handwring about and say you ā€œprefer it were differentā€, since nothing goes wrong in the ideal version they imagine in their head.

The bottom line is that Chinaā€™s program is worth supporting both for the people of Xinjiang who were being terrorized and for the stability of China as a whole, and the handwringing is functionally only thinly distinguished from concern trolling when one merely speaks in vagueries about ā€œmorally objectionable things happeningā€.

If you have specific objections, name them. Otherwise, just move on instead of engaging in that absurd song and dance against imaginary dogmatists.

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Theyā€™re training these people to be realtors bro you need to look at the genzedong google doc like the Elder Scrolls

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