https://libreddit.kavin.rocks/r/TheDeprogram/comments/11s7x4u/badempanada_uyhgers_video/
Found in the Deprogram subās discussion ofnit which is quite good. Radio War Nerd also does this beating around the bush with Zenzās beliefs. To say nothing of Deprogram & RWN Russia takes,
Saying āactually both sidesā or āthe truth is somewhere in the middleā doesnāt automatically mean thereās nuance
Between āitās genocideā and ānothing morally objectionable is happeningā the truth is somewhere in the middle, I understand Chinaās policy in Xinjiang but I would prefer it were different
Itās a program that impacts millions of people, there is going to be variance no matter what, and there would be āvery concernedā people who just want ānuanceā no matter what, because that variance that exists in reality will always produce at least some poor outcomes to handwring about and say you āprefer it were differentā, since nothing goes wrong in the ideal version they imagine in their head.
The bottom line is that Chinaās program is worth supporting both for the people of Xinjiang who were being terrorized and for the stability of China as a whole, and the handwringing is functionally only thinly distinguished from concern trolling when one merely speaks in vagueries about āmorally objectionable things happeningā.
If you have specific objections, name them. Otherwise, just move on instead of engaging in that absurd song and dance against imaginary dogmatists.
If you have specific objections, name them
I would say the āpossibleā (Iām honestly not quite sure how widespread it is) sterilization that mightāve produced a massive drop in birth rate is one of them
And the other is the too broad institutionalization of people based on their activities, I know theyāre not just putting people in these institutions against their will because they are muslim, there has to be other criteria, but I find it hard to believe that everyone (or maybe even most) who passes through them actually was, or had a probability of becoming, a terrorist.
And generally Iām taking a āwait and seeā approach, because intuitively I would say that this program wonāt actually end separatist terrorism (as US wars didnāt end terrorism and increased it) because of the resentment it can provoke in people in Xinjiang whoāll end up being radicalized, but there hasnāt been an attack in a while soā¦
Itās literally the āpeopleās war on terrorā and Iām not saying that as a criticism (even in a completely ideal socialist society there may be terrorism) but I do think some things can be done in the name of it that will go too far.
Regardless Iām only willing to discuss this in places like these, otherwise Iām careful not to play into anti-china propaganda