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So let me get this straight, a group of people overwhelmingly wish to separate, and the government tries to prevent them from doing that, and you don’t think that’s imperialism? I bet you don’t feel the same about separatism in Catalonia, Donbas, Kurdistan, or the Zapatistas. Classic tankie logic: imperialism good when done by purported “communists.”

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Was the United States Civil War imperialism?

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The Civil War was imperialism but it was good imperialism. Fascist breakaways are a bit different: the Union taking over the South was infringing on their self-governance, but that’s a good thing, Confederates were pure evil. It’s like after WWII and Axis powers became occupied, could you technically call that colonialism? Maybe, but they needed to be.

If Taiwan was blatantly fascistic, genocidal, had slavery, etc. I would support China colonizing them… but they aren’t. They’re neoliberal (much like China), which is lame, but they’re not a Nazi state. Remind me, who was the first in Asia to legalize gay marriage?

Your comparison is bad faith.

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Wait, so China is Neoliberal and fascist and state capitalist!

And here I was thinking words had meanings.

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If Taiwan was blatantly fascistic, genocidal, had slavery, etc. I would support China colonizing them… but they aren’t.

Taiwan AKA the Republic of China was founded as a settler colonial military dictatorship

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Okay, that’s consistent. Given that the modern incarnation of Taiwan was founded as a fascistic & genocidal settler colony, what was the timepoint at which a decisive end to the Chinese Civil War shifted from acceptable to unacceptable in your eyes?

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group of people overwhelmingly wish to separate

this is just not true. the overwhelming majority want a return to the status quo, a status quo that was very consistently gravitating towards china before the US decided to stir shit using its DPP puppets. the taiwanese people are perfectly capable of understanding which side their bread is buttered on and that their families cannot subsist on a diet of freedom and democracy.

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Hmmm

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i can’t believe i enabled images for this

they’re not even figures, they’re just snippets of text from natopedia that somehow unequivocally support my claim

what am i supposed to do with this? gloat?

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do you know the history of how the KMT became the ROC or are you asking loaded questions without any knowledge of the history?

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Countries change dumbass

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settler-colonists remain settler-colonists. also if NATO support vanished overnight, reunification would be inevitable.

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a group of people overwhelmingly wish to separate

No they don’t. You are just flat out fucking wrong.

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The “status quo” for most Taiwanese is de facto separation genius, and they don’t want to do anything rash.

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No it isn’t. The status quo is that Taiwan is a region of China, independently governed. This is the case for MANY places around the world, here in the UK for example we have Scottish and Welsh governments, independent of the UK government. Scotland has its own parliament. Does that make it independent? Fuck no it doesn’t and there’s no mechanism for it to leave either.

There are MORE people in Scotland that want Scottish independence than Taiwan. Chew on that for a bit.

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Almost like the reason some of the population is because they stole from the Chinese people and fled to the island when the people fought back. The oppressor doesn’t deserve to get to pick to be independent

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And how long ago was that exactly?

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1949

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Do you feel the same about the people of Donbas?

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Uh, yes? I don’t support the blatant invasion and warcrimes by Russia but I can recognize Ukraine has a fascist problem too.

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Wait, do you support Donbas self rule or not? Are they not allowed to invite their ally (Russia) to support them militarily in a war of aggression by their neighbor, Ukraine?

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You do support Donbas independence though?

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I bet you don’t feel the same about separatism in Catalonia, Donbas, Kurdistan, or the Zapatistas.

Literally none of those are imperialism. Imperialism isn’t having a region want independence. Do you think Scotland not being allowed to have a vote is imperialism?

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Not them, but fucking yes? Like, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales were literally conquered by imperialist England.

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Germanic migrants were doing imperialism in Wales, you heard it here first folks

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Yes fucking genius.

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Tell me, what are your opinions on Crimea and the Donbas, CatholicSocialist?

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I think all regions deserve self-autonomy determined by democratic referendums, unlike the tankies that think the Republic of China should be re-annexed…

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So you oppose Ukrainian rule over Crimea and the Donbas?

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