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Putin broke the Minsk Agreements, huh?

Anyone who wants to can go find out the truth of that claim and they will find that it was Ukraine/NATO that broke the agreements which is literally the reason it came to war. This was admitted to openly even by Angela fucking Merkel, who said they only drafted the agreements to buy time for Ukraine to build up more arms and continue antagonizing the Donbas.

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The Angela Merkal who urged Ukraine to stop fighting when Russia invaded Crimea? The Angela Merkal who routinely advocated appeasement?

As far as Ukraine breaking the agreement, I assume you mean the accusation of continued shelling? When even the DPR claimed responsibility for fighting as well, claiming Minsk 2 did not apply to Donetsk.

You still haven’t answered: what should Ukraine negotiate for? Given the fact that Russia has broken every treaty on Ukrainian borders since 1995, why should Ukraine trust another negotiation?

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They should negotiate to stop the mass murder going on.

Some hypothetical war in the future is not worth butchering millions now. That’s deranged thinking - literally ensuring the harm you claim to fear.

Stop thinking of countries as people. Countries are not people. That fallacy leads you to deranged ideas that see so many people die.

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They should negotiate to stop the mass murder going on.

What does that look like? A dissolution of the russian federation, complete Russian disarmament, ane the imprissonment of Vladimir Putin would stop this. Why isn’t Russia offering that? Why aren’t you suggesting that?

What do the people of Ukraine get from negotiating with Russia? Why should they trust Russia to uphold an agreement when Russia has already broken every agreement?

Give concrete answers or admit you don’t have any.

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The Angela Merkal who urged Ukraine to stop fighting when Russia invaded Crimea? The Angela Merkal who routinely advocated appeasement?

Correct. She has at least a modicum of strategic sense.

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I wonder why she resigned when she did anyway………

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