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I don’t want to put a bunch of preludes and explain myself etc.

But man, you really think Russia invaded because of a “land grab”? Does that make any sense to you?

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The Russian Federation, famously short on land

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To be somewhat fair, all of Russia’s claims in Ukraine (Crimea, the Donbas) would give them unparalleled access to the Sea of Azov and the northern banks of the Black Sea. Yes, I know they control a significant portion of the Black Sea already, but this would allow them to wrap the Sea of Azov nicely.

I know Russia states they’re there to kick the Nazis out of the Donbas and protect the Russian language minority in that region, but I also don’t believe any nation, especially a very nationalistic, neoliberal government like Russia’s, is out doing something out of the goodness of their hearts. Call me a cynic, but I think the expanded Black Sea control is more important to the government.

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I see the expanded Black Sea control as a way to sure up control of Crimea. If they didn’t then the only physical connection between Crimea and the rest of Russia would be the bridge, which has shown to be quite vulnerable.

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It’s literally just to stop NATO expansion, protecting Russian speakers in Ukraine is just an incidental political benefit

The “warm port” and “land grab” theories are pure nonsense that ignore the last 8 years of Eastern European history

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Not the dreaded warm water port discussion. When will we ever grow as a society?

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I mean, how many wars have Russians started

What, all of them, unanimously, assembling their bodies into a single collossal humanoid mass of flesh and bone? This is the problem with a nationalist worldview, you miss the actual dynamic driving the event. Which Russians?

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“Access to infrastructure that allows the movement of critical goods” isn’t really captured by the phrase “land grab”

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please name one (1) war started by the Russian Federation or the USSR

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