Comment by Kusimulkku@lemm.ee on Average r/pics post

In this case the communist attacked you and started shooting you first. I’d imagine most would defend themselves when attacked

It’s an interesting idea though that anyone who communists attack are Nazis. Maybe the funniest conclusion from that is that Vietnamese were Nazis since China attacked Vietnam in 1979.

The Finnish state that fought the Soviet Union, the one which was allied with Nazi Germany, was only established after the wholesale massacre of communists and workers. Anticommunism is the modus operandi of fascism in all its forms. The axis powers in WWII were formalized in the “Anti-Comintern Pact” to which Finland was a signatory.

Using something happened in 1918 and especially 1941 to justify calling Finland Nazi during Winter War that happened in 1939-40 seems fairly creative.

Interesting thing about the Civil War and Winter War though. After the Civil War Finland was heavily divided nation for a long time. And while the wounds had started to heal some, it was the opposition to the Soviet attack that actually brought the left and right together. I’m not sure how true it is, but I’ve heard Stalin expected the Finnish workers to celebrate him coming over and “freeing them” and was quite surprised that they were having none of that.

That’s again something that happened after Winter War. Official Finnish policy towards Jews was luckily much better during the war. Even resulted in funny things such as Nazis awarding a Finnish Jewish soldier the Iron Cross, which is just bizarre to think about.

It would feel a bit strange to say Finland was Nazi during Winter War because during Continuation War Finland was Axis aligned when the USSR attack in Winter War is the biggest reason Finland sought closer ties with Germany.

The USSR wanted Finland to give it areas including the main Finnish defensive line. Knowing what happened with Czechoslovakia and “just a few areas” and knowing what happened to Baltics, it’s easy to see what road that would’ve taken Finland down on.

You’re saying the Continuation War happened solely because of the Winter War

No, I’m saying Finland sought help from the Nazis because during Winter War Finland was left completely alone, the preferred alliance direction of Nordics or UK/France/US panning out to not have done much at all. And both sides, USSR and Finland knew it was just a temporarily truce and another war was coming. Obviously Finland didn’t want to be alone, again.

the noted anti-communists were in no-way ideologically aligned with the Nazis before the USSR’s attack

Mostly the Finnish leadership were noted anglophiles.

wanted Finland to give it areas

And offered more area in Karelia in return, it wasn’t some kind of a one-sided deal

Area cutting through the Finnish main defensive line and an important peninsula and harbor close to Helsinki vs. areas in the middle of nowhere in Karelia. It wasn’t a one-sided suggestion, in fact by area I think the offer was bigger, but it’s easy to see why it wasn’t accepted when you consider what would be given and where.

For sure. But both sides saw another war coming and with how close Finland was to being fully occupied, the worry was that this time Soviet Union wouldn’t stop until they had achieved that. Understandable worry in my opinion, even though fighting alongside Nazis is a black mark on Finnish history.

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