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Sending guns to Ukraine to keep this awful war going longer doesn’t help anyone defend anyone.

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Yes, but also yes. It does prolong the war, but it also helps to save civilians and push back against an aggressor.

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Why was Obomba and Joe Bellend in a decade ago?

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Oh I don’t know, maybe because the same exact thing happened with Crimea. All out war didn’t start, but peope died, homes were destroyed and Russia became a little bigger.

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How does it help? Explain to me how supporting Ukraine a country that at this point now just forcibly conscripts anyone helps civilians. Have you talked to any Ukrainian women that had to flee from this conflict and that they haven’t hear anything about their husbands brothers and fathers? Were those people not civilians? Or are Ukrainian lives just not a thing? I guess it helps if Ukraine has less and less actual civilians because more and more have to get drafted into the army so some assholes can send another thousand poor people to walk across a minefield to get blown up after all if they are in the army they are no longer civilians.

You know who it does help? US military contractors. Ukraine has received 76.8bn USD in 2022 from the USA this isn’t counting various loans that I’m sure aren’t going to be used against Ukraine to force them to privatize everything and enforce austerity policies. EU countries sent double that 140bn USD

This is in one year from one country, we could end world hunger with a yearly investment of 23bn USD to 40bn USD, this would actually undeniably help save civilians, in fact it would save at least three times as much because the population of ukraine is something under 50mil while the population currently suffering from severe hunger is 150mil.

The only reason why you’ve been told that this saves civilians and not you know anything else is because again selling weapons is big business and the only way governments can spend money now I guess, so yes lets save those civilians by forcing them at gunpoint to go walk into a minefield so more and more and more and more and more blood can be fed into this another horrifiyng war to fight over imaginary lines because USA liberty guns or whatever wants their stock to go up.

If you truly believe in this shit, I think this is more of an online cheerleading thing for you, you should join up and fight the aggressor and prevent putin from doing a genocide or whatever.

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Yes, and remember that Russia will absolutely not invade another country.

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It helps civilians by conscripting all the civilians into the army I guess

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Russia will of course stop out of goodness of their little hearts.

They will not follow up to Poland and Baltics.

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Ukraine either loses, or they keep fighting and a whole lot more people die and then they lose. Which is better?

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Where is the option Russia fucks off?

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