Do they think the Catalan Anarchists had no bourgeois blood on their hands? Do they think the Makhnovites never executed counterrevolutionaries? Fucking idiots. I preferred it when anarchists actually threw pipe bombs.
So fucking tired of this. Y’all sound just like the whiney people on 196 trying to get rid of tankies.
" they are just a bunch of teenagers online" “I never met one in real life”
When I am allowed to be a “real” Anarchist?
Where’s the fucking line? When I dont critize MLs? I’m an anarchist online and in the streets. And I’m honestly so tired of having to come to the only real leftist community on Lemmy and still have to watch y’all bash anarchy with the same effort libs bash commies.
I have problems with authority. And problems with the ideas of Marx. And the implemntation of communism throughout the life the USSR. Specifically the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the use of centralized authority.
Im anti-capitalist, I’m anti-police and pro prison abolition. But I’m willing to work with other leftist toward the bigger issues. Like Palestine.
When are anarchist going to be accepted in this community?
Y’all honestly make me so sad. I go to Lemmy.world I gotta read people licking Israel boot. I come here I got to watch y’all punch down on anarchy.
Yall are a fuckin disappointment.
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From our sidebar. We arent hexbear, we dont really believe in left unity like them. You’re welcome to participate, and you won’t get dunked on as an “anarkiddy” if you make serious comments arguing for anarchism here, but yes you will see a lot of venting about anarchists, I would suggest blocking lemmygrad comms if you dont want to see that.
I see that more clearly now. I don’t want to block any leftist community on Lemmy. I don’t think that’s a good solution long term.
But many people have commented the same thing. So I will consider it. Maybe I just won’t engage with y’alls community.
If you’re hesistant about it, the worst of it will be contained to !memes@lemmygrad.ml and !moretankie196@lemmygrad.ml. Would definitely block !shitultrassay@lemmygrad.ml, probably block this one (leftist infighting) although its not very active.
You are plainly taking this in bad faith, they don’t mean anarchists who do support revolution and they could hardly be more clear in that fact. Try rereading once before denouncing an entire instance of fellow communists.
I am mildly curious why, if it hypothetically was attacking anarchism in general, that would be “punching down”.
I am mildly curious why, if it hypothetically was attacking anarchism in general, that would be “punching down”.
I say punching down because the the majority of active leftists communities on Lemmy are dominated by MLs and other commies. & I see a lot of general hate towards anarchists. which is apparently a much smaller of a group.
The reality is there are a lot of usufferable anarchists (especially online) who refuse to engage with real theory or history. I have all respect for people like you who critically support AES but maintain a different ideology. I and some others on here do try to make clear the difference between pop anarchists who hate China because they’re told to despite “being against all authority” and your time. Yes, some here go too far with it, and I do not agree, but I see where they are coming from.
I appreciate your comment.
The reality is there are a lot of usufferable anarchists (especially online) who refuse to engage with real theory or history.
I get that. I really do. Ive seen some of this myself. And I can understand and appreciate people calling them out. But I Just feel that they are too often becoming the complete face of anarchy on leftist Lemmy communities.
Yes, some here go too far with it, and I do not agree, but I see where they are coming from.I
I would also like to point out, that this same thing that happens on Lemmy dot world. But for commies.
Libs go and find the least educated, loudest idiot calling themselves a communists and take screen shots too post on tankiejerk.
Its really just cheap shots IMO.
Where’s the fucking line? When I dont critize MLs?
Are the MLs currently undermining your commune project or your dual power building? If yes then actually yeah come criticise them that would be super interesting for us.
No the projects that I’m apart of are often with people who are very supportive of anarchy. Or are anarchists themselves. I really only see the anarchy bashing when I come here…
So if we’re talking about theory let’s agree to disagree, because you’ll never “convert” anyone to anachism here and we’ll never convert you either
Which means that for you it’s not very interesting to come and criticise ML ideology, I suggest you formulate your criticism as questions. Like “why do you think the USSR went down this road, do you think it’s ideal?” We will respond happily
I’m aware of my own post is this some sort of got cha?
when the weather became less fair.
Are you talking about when y’all openly bash anarchist? Calling them libs?
Yeah I’m not really cool with that.
Your comment has no real critique of my ideology. Just shows that isn’t room here for anarachist of any kind.
I will paste this old comment of mine to see what real anarchists like yourself think about it, I may have conflated anarchists with anti-authoritarians, so correct me if I’m wrong:
Anti-authoritarians have no future, one either supports an existing authority or tries to become a new authority. Everyone can have a say in a democracy, but when it comes down to decision, whether through majority vote or expert opinion or other methods, the decision then becomes authority.
Even if someone claims to hate all forms of authority, this person will become the authority on “hating authority” if a following is gained. That’s how anarchists are doomed for failure.
Even if someone claims to hate all forms of authority
this is not what anarchists claim
read theory, then come back with a coherent comment
It actually is what a lot of anarchists claim, those who have not read theory at least. I will make no generalizations about all anarchists especially without reading the specific theory, but there is a certain type of the online “anarkiddie” which I’ve seen many times.
I will gladly comment on this.
Anarchist are anti-hierarchy. Authority is usually hierarchically designed and implemented. And thus we as anarchists condem it.
This statement ignores other forms of power. Like non-hierarchical power structures. Mutual aid groups and community self defense. These and many other forms of direct action do not require authority or hierarchy to be powerful.
We can be powerful, productive and non-hierarchical. We can have groups of people working together solving problems without bosses, masters, cops etc.
How does commumity self defense not require authority? They’re certainly imposing their authority on whatever they’re defending themselves from.
Easy there. Are you against revolutionary violence? If not, then he’s not talking about you.
Maybe. But there way too much of this kind of rhetoric on the site for me to look at this and say “oh he’s not talking about me, I’m one of the good ones”
If I felt like there was more differentiation between what was an “acceptable” anarchist and just libs with the “anarchy” label. That would be one thing. But I don’t see people saying anarchy is OK.
Just mostly people bashing anarchists…
You have entered a Marxist community, not an anarchist community. Members of this community are expressing their frustration with the ever-growing swaths of anticommunist and antirevolutionary liberals who describe themselves as anarchists, but who have little to no actual engagement with anarchist ideology. They have expressed that this frustration is derived from these people’s refusal to read theory and to educate themselves on the history of anarchism. They are not criticising anarchist ideology, they are criticising people who claim they are anarchists but refuse to actually learn anything about anarchism.
You are making broad, sweeping statements condemning the Marxists in this community for their beliefs, and seem to be reading their frustrations as personal attacks and attacks on anarchism. Perhaps you should re-examine your standpoint here and go read some elementary anarchist and leftist theory. Here are some recommendations:
Anarchism and Other Essays by Emma Goldman
Principles of Communism by Friedrich Engels
An Anarchist Programme by Errico Malatesta
I agree with you but I’m too tired to properly articulate it right now (though be aware that this is a lemmygrad thread, and they don’t have anti sectarian rules like hexbear does)
we kind of do (have an anti-sectarian rule), it’s just a stricter definition (i.e. it definitely doesn’t apply to anarchists and probably not trots/MLM). Think about it this way, we MLs have very few places to congregate in the english speaking side of the internet, so my feeling is that we’re pretty protective of it. Like ffs, before we were federated with hexbear we were alone in the jihad against the libs in the lemmyverse, the only other “leftists” servers that I know of (midwest and dbzero) defederated us, that’s part of why we’re so hostile towards anarchists imo (apart from ideological differences since we’re an ML instance).
Oh no guys, hear that? They’re packing their stuff and leaving! Fuck this is a disaster, the site’s ruined. I might as well quit too. We should’ve been nicer to hormonal 16-year-olds who scold us
We should’ve been nicer to hormonal 16-year-olds who scold us
And there is it.
You sound like the people I played halo 1 with. Lmao.
Did you also bang my mom last night?
