It’s not a complicated “conflict”. Its obviously a genocide. Liberals who say both sides are to blame are participating in the massacres of Palestinians. It doesn’t matter if hamas killed any number of Israelis. The so-called crimes that the Palestinians committed can never be equal to the crimes of their oppressors. Especially when their oppressors are killing them with a clear intent of genocide. It is disgusting that zionists hide behind their religion to justify what they do. All the liberals who defend them should get the wall.

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they are objectively a country they aren’t a country with any moral legitimacy but they clearly are a country

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No they aren’t.

They lack one of the four primary distinctions that make any country a country. They lack sovereignty over the land they control and occupy. An occupation is not a country, and much of the world recognizes that either Palestine and Israel but hold sovereignty, or Palestine holds sole sovereignty, the Israeli position is to shaky to be definitively stated as such.

For example, the United States also falls under this classification of being a settler colony, but they are still a country in that they satisfy all four requirements to be considered one. No matter how morally unethical the process was to accomplish those 4 main requirements were.

Israel can’t even do that.

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Might want to look into Wittgenstein’s Language Games, can help clarify the purpose and function (and at times pointlessness, not saying that is the case here) of the sorts of pedantic and ‘technically correct’ dysentery folks seem to engage in.

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I’ll look into it! Sounds like a good read!

But I’m really not trying to be pedantic, it’s essentially just elementary school level politics that a country must have 1. Land, 2. Population 3. Government and 4. Sovereignty. It really isn’t negotiable.

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they have land, an army, and a governing bureacracy to my mind that makes them a country

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To bad your mind has no bearing on what’s true or not 😂

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Israel = occupying state

Palestine = country

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this is just stupid semantic games words mean what people use them to mean and if I went and asked anyone I know in real life they would say Israel is a country so it’s a country

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If you asked some random cracker they’d tell you Taiwan was an independent country too. Doesn’t make it true.

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