Putin goes on to say

”Our proposal is not to freeze the conflict, like how the west wants it, but to end it. I repeat, this is not to freeze the conflict, but for its final completion.”

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I mean they are demands. You make demands when you have overwhelmingly dominated your opponent, which Russia has.

Russia is preparing for war with NATO. This is most likely Putins final public proposal for peace so the world can see Russia is not the aggressor in this situation. Everyone knows they’re making gains on the battlefield and the US has already publicly stated Ukraine won’t be a part of nato. So what is there to really fight about other than upholding Americas honor?

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The screaming liberals are always making up a new reason to not accept anything. You tell them this is reasonable and they clap back with how Putin can’t be trusted because they broke the commitment to sovereignty made when they gave up their nukes. The fact that the minsk agreements were broken first doesn’t matter to them.

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The problem with debating liberals is that you’re trying to use truth and reality against people that care about neither of those things

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You’re right, but that doesn’t really matter because the only step other than publicly announcing a peace agreement is to end all life on the planet.

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How is Russia not the aggressor in a war they started?

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History begins in the winter of 2022 of course

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Including more history is not to Putin’s credit.

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The problem with informing yourself with mainstream media. Its like putin just decided to invade ukraine that morning. And he is a crazy evil dictator etc

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No one said he decided that morning, just that he initiated a war.

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In 2014 a bunch of Ukrainian nazis couped the democratically elected government and started ethnically cleansing the Russian population in the Donbas. Some sections of the Ukrainian military rebelled and formed militia units to protect the population from being murdered by nazis, leading to a low level civil war stretching on for years. Ukrainian nazi paramilitaries continued persecuting ethnic Russian Ukrainians civilians as well as shelling Donetsk and Lugansk

During this time Russia tried repeatedly to conduct diplomacy with the nazis western handlers, the US and the UK, as well as interested third parties such as Germany and France. However, it was pointless as the US never intended to back down and continuously goaded the Ukrainian nazis into attacks on the Donbas, all the while supplying them with money and weapons. When the war seemed to be escalating to the point NATO forces might join in, Russia - understanding that any actual direct combat between Russian and NATO soldiers would lead to a global nuclear holocaust - jumped in with its troops first… after spending three days voting to formally recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR, of course, because Putin is a bureaucrat to the core and these things must be done properly.

And now, the people of Donetsk and Luhansk can live quietly without fear of nazi missiles blowing up their city centers for no reason.

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And now, the people of Donetsk and Luhansk can live quietly without fear of nazi missiles blowing up their city centers for no reason.

This part’s not actually true yet.

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Cause they didn’t start the 2014 Ukranian Civil War, they’re just finishing it?

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no sassy one-line reply to your comment :( damn i was looking for some entertainment

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if i point a gun at your head and you attack me, who is the aggressor?

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If I invent an imaginary gun in your hand when there was none and attack you, who is the aggressor?

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wow so many russian shills responding to this! Guess you don’t like to get your echo chamber disturbed

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Russia started the war because the west wants influence over Ukraine, which is existential for Russia. This is something the United States and NATO are already aware of, so the real question is why would nato take an aggressive posture in Ukraine knowing they cannot win a war?

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The a in usa stands for aggressor

usa is always the aggressor

They started hundreds of wars, this one included

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