Putin goes on to say

”Our proposal is not to freeze the conflict, like how the west wants it, but to end it. I repeat, this is not to freeze the conflict, but for its final completion.”

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9 points

How is Russia not the aggressor in a war they started?

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History begins in the winter of 2022 of course

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Including more history is not to Putin’s credit.

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You uh

You wanna expand on that or are you going to pretend you got an epic mic drop own

Because I have no fucking clue what you’re trying to say

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This doesn’t just have to do with Putin, there is no reality where any Russian president would accept Ukraine joining NATO. That has been clear since the fall of the Soviet Union.

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lol. lmao

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😝

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Including more history is not justification but to explain why things happen. Wtf is wrong with liberals?

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The problem with informing yourself with mainstream media. Its like putin just decided to invade ukraine that morning. And he is a crazy evil dictator etc

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No one said he decided that morning, just that he initiated a war.

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34 points

You got the idea

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In 2014 a bunch of Ukrainian nazis couped the democratically elected government and started ethnically cleansing the Russian population in the Donbas. Some sections of the Ukrainian military rebelled and formed militia units to protect the population from being murdered by nazis, leading to a low level civil war stretching on for years. Ukrainian nazi paramilitaries continued persecuting ethnic Russian Ukrainians civilians as well as shelling Donetsk and Lugansk

During this time Russia tried repeatedly to conduct diplomacy with the nazis western handlers, the US and the UK, as well as interested third parties such as Germany and France. However, it was pointless as the US never intended to back down and continuously goaded the Ukrainian nazis into attacks on the Donbas, all the while supplying them with money and weapons. When the war seemed to be escalating to the point NATO forces might join in, Russia - understanding that any actual direct combat between Russian and NATO soldiers would lead to a global nuclear holocaust - jumped in with its troops first… after spending three days voting to formally recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR, of course, because Putin is a bureaucrat to the core and these things must be done properly.

And now, the people of Donetsk and Luhansk can live quietly without fear of nazi missiles blowing up their city centers for no reason.

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And now, the people of Donetsk and Luhansk can live quietly without fear of nazi missiles blowing up their city centers for no reason.

This part’s not actually true yet.

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No, you’re right, the US keeps delivering longer-ranged missiles so the nazi terrorism can continue.

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Cause they didn’t start the 2014 Ukranian Civil War, they’re just finishing it?

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no sassy one-line reply to your comment :( damn i was looking for some entertainment

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39 points

if i point a gun at your head and you attack me, who is the aggressor?

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If I invent an imaginary gun in your hand when there was none and attack you, who is the aggressor?

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Good to know the Eastern Ukrainians getting shelled in their homes for almost a full decade are imaginary

Boy, would my face have been red if I had been supporting Nazis carrying out an ethnic cleansing in those regions

Glad it was just Kremlin propaganda and epic smol bean Ukraine isn’t a reactionary shithole throwing an entire generation into a meat grinder war for no good reason

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There’s nothing imaginary about a hostile nuclear power on your border. That is a gun to your head. The US did not allow it in Cuba. Russia will not allow it in Ukraine.

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NATO missiles are imaginary? Damn that takes a lot of stress off me.

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Russia started the war because the west wants influence over Ukraine, which is existential for Russia. This is something the United States and NATO are already aware of, so the real question is why would nato take an aggressive posture in Ukraine knowing they cannot win a war?

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wow so many russian shills responding to this! Guess you don’t like to get your echo chamber disturbed

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Well you didn’t put it in an edit

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The a in usa stands for aggressor

usa is always the aggressor

They started hundreds of wars, this one included

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