Of course, they can’t say “war criminal Donald Trump” because that would then invite people to call Biden a war criminal too
The courts you imagine to exist for trying these folks… Where can I find them?
I was answering why the words convicted felon in this case are being used.
To answer other questions about prosecution… The country decided that the president is immune from prosecution. Sadly I am not able to sway the court’s decisions.
Where is the court to prosecute murders committed from thousands of miles away on other continents? Empowered by whom?
The country decided that the president is immune from prosecution. Sadly I am not able to sway the court’s decisions
Democracy
We’ve (USA) been in a republic since independence. Democracy only for local elections, and then electing representatives. The country has its downfalls. We could use an update to our voting system to represent the people more to boot.
That’s where the comparison between a felon and a non-felon become salient. The one with felonies actively tried to corrupt the voting system more than once. If the people are expected to buy into the system at all they need to be able to have free, and transparent elections.
The courts also decided that corporations are people, and they can contribute to campaigns like people. The courts also decided that political action committees could take massive amounts of cash and spend it as they want with very little oversight.
The system needs to get its stuff together, its true purpose of serving the aristocracy is showing too much.
The people won’t challenge the status quo, the majority with their bread and circuses.
Speaking of ‘democracy’ or other types of government. Democracy can be perverted quickly, the majority eating all minorities rapidly. Democratic republics seem to have corporations entrenched in them currently, serving the corporation not the person. Been called a corporatocracy i believe. Communism hasn’t survived without being corrupted to date.
There should be a solution that actually works, any ideas?
You spent so many posts and so many words when all you really said was “better things aren’t possible”.
The courts you imagine to exist for trying these folks… Where can I find them?
The Hague. Granted, they won’t put them on trial because the ICC exists to legitimize, not undermine, the western imperial project, but that’s what they’re supposed to be doing on paper.
As updated, your comment seems to be arguing that there is no way to deliver justice to some people regardless of how much they may deserve it, which leads to the conclusion that our justice system is arbitrary in whom it choose to punish. So, given that, why should we care if Trump is a felon?
Yes the ‘paragon of justice’ known as Iran. I’m sure they’ve not committed any war crimes in the last 50 years. I’m sure a current felon didn’t mess up a deal with them. Since the USA messed up their government, they have checks notes laws based on a guy who history records as having married a 9 year old in his adult life. A religion as flawed as every other, and also as worthless.
The courts you imagine to exist for trying these folks… Where can I find them?
Take your pick. There’s the Hague, which is internationally recognized as a place to try war criminals. Or there could be a tribunal in Nuremberg since that’s where they hanged (a woefully paltry number of) high-ranking Nazis after WWII. Or those war criminals could be handed over to People’s Courts comprised of the families that survived having their loved ones murdered. Send Bush to Iraq, send Biden to Palestine, send Clinton to Libya.
The country decided that the president is immune from prosecution. A system which enshrines in its legal structures such morally reprehensible positions is completely illegitimate. We don’t have to obey, nor should we.
As for your last question, consider it a wish-list. But if anyone in government actually had a conscience they would be demanding this too or seeking to change the laws to get the ball rolling. Gotta prosecute and punish the war criminals before they die of old age and escape to a Hell that will be far kinder on them than they deserve.
The list of folks guilty of war crimes is myriad and not limited to the presidents. Not trying to nitpick, but… Agree Bush should be dragged along with Saudi Arabian parties responsible through Iraq & Afghanistan. Our 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, etc Oil controlling regime swapping political systems are responsible for so much turmoil in Libya, Afghanistan, and other parts of the middle east - it’s reductive to try and blame a single president or country for this insanity.
I don’t believe you could or should blame Biden singlehandedly for Palestine.
I feel like they have all of the Zionists, British imperialists, and American imperialists and political parties to blame for the last 75+ years to blame in that.
I like the idea of acknowledging this is a wish list. I don’t believe there to be anywhere that will punish or reward them. I feel like that’s another fairy tale.
The list of folks guilty of war crimes is myriad and not limited to the presidents. Yes.
I don’t believe you could or should blame Biden singlehandedly for Palestine. Yes.
Neither of those lessen the guilt that the Presidents bear, they simply expand the roster of people to try for abetting war crimes. When it comes to punishment, it’s fine to start at the top and work down the hierarchies until someone feels like it’s getting to be too much. Part of the point is revenge. Part of the point is to set an example. Clearly the Nuremberg trials didn’t go far enough because the “Allies” didn’t learn from it.
I like the idea of acknowledging this is a wish list. I don’t believe there to be anywhere that will punish or reward them. I feel like that’s another fairy tale.
I argue for what’s moral whether or not anyone else will listen. The realization that nobody who can try these war criminals will try them is another way to help people learn that we live in a fundamentally evil system that must be destroyed.
