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imperialist

either you seriously think Russia’s invasion was motivated by the export of dominant financial capital or you just like to add this word like seasoning to sound leftist, not sure which is more embarrassing

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It is not easy to gauge what the war is motivated by, as it is waged mostly by one dictator’s wishes, but my bets are on territorial gains, resource gains (as eastern Ukraine notably contains quite a lot of resources), cultural expansion (see: banning of ukranian language in schools and government services), and perhaps delusions of grandeur and desire to bring back USSR/Russian Empire (which appear to be entirely interchangeable in Russian propaganda lately), all of which fit the definition of imperialism quite well. It could also just be an internal political game, attempting to repeat the “Crimean consensus” and get Putin’s waning ratings back up. That didn’t quite work out, so the governance model descended from authocratic capitalism into near-fascism. In the latter case it would indeed not exactly be an imperialist war, but I’m not sure if that helps Russia’s case here.

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my bets are on territorial gains, resource gains

Russia is famously lacking for land and raw materials

one dictator’s wishes

You mean Zelensky, right? The guy that sold the country to foreign capital before indefinitely suspending elections, jailing any dissidents, and giving himself absolute power?

I joke of course. You can tell Putin’s a dictator, because he was popularly elected multiple times by the Russian people. If Russia were a real Democracy™, he’d be broadly unpopular among every Russian demographic and chosen by an unelected cabal of wealthy party elites like in the US.

USSR/Russian Empire (which appear to be entirely interchangeable in Russian propaganda lately)

Sure man, it’s Russian propaganda in which they’re interchangeable. I mean, I’m sure you’d know what with all the Russian media you’re busy avoiding.

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Russia is famously lacking for land and raw materials

Strategically important and tourist-attracting Crimea with a land bridge to it would be pretty useful by itself, couple that with prime agricultural land (Ukraine is a massive producer of grain), lots of coal, some oil and gas.

I joke of course. You can tell Putin’s a dictator, because he was popularly elected multiple times by the Russian people

There was not a fair presidential election in Russia since (arguably) 1996, when communists were defeated with significant use of administrative resource by Eltsin administration. Any serious political opposition began to be silenced in 2012. 2020 constitutional changes were actually unconstitutional, and as such were a soft coup. Both 2018 and 2024 elections had massive electoral fraud too.

Sure man, it’s Russian propaganda in which they’re interchangeable. I mean, I’m sure you’d know what with all the Russian media you’re busy avoiding.

I’m actually reading official and independent Russian news weekly due to Russia being my home country.

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You really like to dance around admitting the fact that the war was started because NATO tried to set up its weapons on the Russian border and use the threat to either coerce or openly attack Russia.

On that note, mind telling us how you think Russia should have reacted to the NATO-backed coup in Ukraine in 2014?

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You really like to dance around admitting the fact that the war was started because NATO tried to set up its weapons on the Russian border and use the threat to either coerce or openly attack Russia.

NATO has had weapons on the Russian border for 20 years now. There were obviously no plans to “openly attack Russia”, as they would have been realized after Russia actually invaded Ukraine. As for coercion, yeah, imperialism sucks, I wish US didn’t do it, but it does not justify starting a war with a smaller country with intent to invade it.

On that note, mind telling us how you think Russia should have reacted to the NATO-backed coup in Ukraine in 2014?

I’m not one to give complex geopolitical advice, but definitely not by invading it. Perhaps a good start would be exercising its immense soft power inside the country to help pro-Russian powers (which has been attempted, but extremely unsuccessfully).

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You know there is like history and real life and stuff that happened prior to the invasion right? Like you don’t have to guess or speculate or make up fan theories? Like you can just like read and find out why.

This feigned “who could possibly know” attitude is baffling. Just like look it up

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All the reasons I’ve provided are grounded in actual Russian reality as it was before the invasion. I had been following russian news, from both official and independent outlets, due to actually living there. I don’t think I need to look up the obviously made up reasons of “denazification” and “demilitarisation”.

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Shut the fuck up, you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about

banning of ukranian language in schools and government services)

Never happened but your projection levels are off the charts because the did ban the Russian language

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what a buch of idealist garbage. love to solemnly intone about how “it is not easy to gauge” what the war is motivated by when you haven’t read the explicit justifications given in Putin’s speeches and therefore cannot critique it even from a materialist standpoint

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/06/putins-full-speech-brics-nato-expansion-and-ukraine-peace-talk-conditions.html

you are a joke, stop attempting to sound leftist and actually do some reading

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