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Jimmy Dore could be a lot more popular if he did some bland shit. Instead, he has always said things like ACAB and disparaged every popular and mainstream holy cow.

If you just hate Jimmy - fine, what about Briahna Joy Gray (or anyone else more popular/mainstream on the list)? You don’t think they could have sold out and got more views/better positions?

Even if they are pursuing views to some extent - they could be doing it on top of a hundred different issues. But here they are pushing for M4A, which is a major flagship of the soc-dem movement in the US.

Even if it’s all a waste of time - they’re at least doing something. You’re just yelling at them to stop from the sidelines - what’s the use in that?

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longhorn617 [any]@hexbear.net

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4 years ago

You keep pushing this point like you gottem (which I doubt you even have proof for),

Lmao, youtube stats are fucking publicly available you dipshit.

but why are you doubting the motives of sincere leftists?

Ah yes, sincere leftist, Jimmy Dore, who gave his support to the only viable left candidate in the primary…checks notes… Tulsi Gabbard. When are you going to be posting about your support for Tulsi’s anti-trans sports bill?

what about Briahna Joy Gray (or anyone else more popular/mainstream on the list)? You don’t think they could have sold out and got more views/better positions?

I think they have terminally online media brain. We aren’t the Tea Party. There is no Koch-machine sitting behind our movement providing money and mainstream media coverage. Yet that’s how fucking Kuklinski talked on the latest Bad Faith episode, because apparently all you have to do to be the Tea Party is not like the establishment. BJG boiled down the entire Women’s Suffrage movement to “Women got the right to vote because there was a failed House vote in 1915 and omen for the right vote a year later” which is both incorrect and a fucking grossly historically inaccurate portrayal.of the Women’s Suffrage Movement in the US.

Even if it’s all a waste of time - they’re at least doing something.

TIL posting and podcasting are actually praxis.

You’re just yelling at them to stop from the sidelines - what’s the use in that?

Lmao, you mean the same fucking thing they are doing?

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kilternkafuffle [any]@hexbear.net

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4 years ago

youtube stats are fucking publicly available

Great - post it, prove it.

Ah yes, sincere leftist, Jimmy Dore, who gave his support to the only viable left candidate in the primary…checks notes… Tulsi Gabbard. When are you going to be posting about your support for Tulsi’s anti-trans sports bill?

LOL You’re doing guilt by association logic plus time travel. Everyone who supported Dean in 2004 must have been a corporatist. Everyone who supported Edwards is a misogynist.

Jimmy Dore has a long record and the only thing you can come up with against him is that he was pro-Tulsi when she looked like a competitor for the left-most option in the primary. You’re too busy attacking to consider that not everyone thinks like you.

We aren’t the Tea Party. There is no Koch-machine sitting behind our movement providing money and mainstream media coverage. Yet that’s how fucking Kuklinski talked on the latest Bad Faith episode, because apparently all you have to do to be the Tea Party is not like the establishment.

I think that’s defeatism on your part. You can’t demand stuff if you don’t have billionaires backing you? Then how did Bernie/AOC/the Justice Democrats happen? Small donors are a thing. Social media is a thing. The opportunity of the decade that is the pandemic is a thing. Make the push now, shift the debate for later.

you mean the same fucking thing they are doing?

Yeah, except they’re calling for action and you’re calling for inaction. You have a better idea - promote that instead of attacking others’.

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longhorn617 [any]@hexbear.net

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4 years ago

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Everyone who supported Dean in 2004 must have been a corporatist

Correct, yes. Howard Dean was a capitalist in 2004. He still is, but he was then, too.

Jimmy Dore has a long record and the only thing you can come up with against him is that he was pro-Tulsi

Anyone who was on the left and didn’t align behind Sanders isn’t trustworthy. Even the PSL told people to vote for Sanders in the primary.

when she looked like a competitor for the left-most option in the primary.

There was never a time where this was the case.

I think that’s defeatism on your part.

I never said we can’t become a powerful movement. I said comparing the current left to the Tea Party is materially ahistorical because the Tea Party actually had power. Ideologically opposing the Democratic establishment doesn’t make us the Tea Party equivalent. That’s cargo cult logic.

Yeah, except they’re calling for action and you’re calling for inaction.

No, they aren’t. They are calling for an entirely symbolic floor vote on M4A that all sides admit is doomed to fail.

You have a better idea - promote that instead of attacking others’.

Wow, if only there was some history of successfully extracting power for the working class through labor organizing and strike actions that we could look to right now.

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