You’re questioning people’s motives. Why can’t there be sincere disagreement about strategy?

You are out here unironically stanning fucking Jimmy Dore, who is saying anyone who doesn’t support this garbage idea of trading any leverage the left may have for a useless symbolic vote is garbage and captured and should be thrown out. Shut the fuck up.

We mostly do - the public doesn’t.

Oh really, the public doesn’t know the conservative Democrats are against M4A?

Also, it’s still useful to see who’ll be willing to stand in the way when push comes to shove.

You already admitted this is going to fail, meaning it’s not “when push comes to shove”.

it’ll shift the Overton Window:

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They’ll have a tougher time raising money from anti-M4A donors.

No, they won’t. They will just go back to their donors and say “I had to vote for it to protect against a primary from the right, but that bill was never going to pass.” Do you honestly think the capitalist class doesn’t understand this shit?

They’ll be forced to pick a fight with Biden and the Republicans - Pelosi will have to tell MSNBC that Medicare For All is good and the talking points against it are Republican nonsense.

We already did this exact fucking scenario in 2009! “Oh, we tried to the Public Option, but that fucking bastard Joe Lieberman blocked it. Oh well, we’ll get em next time!” How do you people keep falling for the fucking okey doke?

But then leave discussions of electoral strategies to people who give a shit about them

No, because you are a moron and you represent the left.

Because you’re making the lib arguments in favor of Pelosi

Once again proving that you are lib operating in bad faith looking to divide the left. I have said multiple times now that the baseline is to not vote for Pelosi unless there is an actual deal with power to be had for the left behind it, and that an M4A floor vote gives the left nothing in the way of power.