a completely unsourced rant, from the same people that peddled the ‘Iraq has WMD’s’ bullshit.

Some names have been changed.

Was Adrien Zenz one of them?

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“ President Xi Jinping’s great plan – that is, a peaceful Xinjiang, open for business, cleansed of its separatist tendencies and its ethnic tensions. In short, Xinjiang without Uighurs.

That whole thing reads like the biggest bullshit story I’ve ever heard. And of course they’re an oil engineer and so is their husband. And the Chinese government somehow had a photo of her daughter at a French protest. Like they’re stalking every Uighur all around the world. Who would ever publish this?

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“ President Xi Jinping’s great plan – that is, a peaceful Xinjiang, open for business, cleansed of its separatist tendencies and its ethnic tensions. In short, Xinjiang without Uighurs.”

Implying that the existence of Uighurs is inherently contradictory to a peaceful and prosperous Xinjiang to own the CCP.

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It sounds like you already came into the article with a conclusion drawn. Maybe consider another non-Zenz report, like this one presented by the Communist Party of India. They’re staunch Marxist-Leninists, and seem to be very even-handed in their criticisms of China and the Uyghur camps.

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I think criticism is fair and I would be willing to criticize them, but this story is so obviously made up. Go read it. You’ll see

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Her description matches even what the internal Chinese documents reveal. Do you think she faked her disappearance for two years and made this story up out of whole cloth?

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why isn’t there a single link to primary sources in that article?

Edit: There is a link to the white paper at the end of the 5th paragraph. It’s only 26 pages so since we have to be serious it’s better to read that before reading the CPI-ML Liberation’s summary. The CPI-ML Liberation should really reconsider their CSS.

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Blatant lie. Within a few paragraphs the article links directly to an official translation of China’s 2019 White Paper On Uyghurs, and references leaked documents throughout.

It is the White Paper which is most cited throughout the article since it aims to conclude using the PRC’s own documents that

We do not have to look further than China’s own documents and its own propaganda organs to recognize that the Chinese State is holding vast numbers of Uyghurs in concentration camps, subjecting the entire Uyghur community both inside and outside the camps to forced indoctrination, surveillance and censorship, and attempting to erase the identity and culture of the Uyghur people. China has been touting its Xinjiang model as a successful model of “counterterrorism” which the world should adopt. Certainly, Narendra Modi and his fascist regime in India, would be happy to adopt China’s Xinjiang model for Kashmir, and for minorities and dissenters in the whole of India, lock, stock, and barrel.

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If they really wanted to kill all of the Uyghurs… why haven’t they? Hasn’t this been going on for, like, ten years? How long does it take to kill someone?!

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I mean we have a clear historical example, where 6 million Jewish people were exterminated from 1941 to 1945.

The first thing that really convinced me that the broader genocide claims were very suspect was an NPR article that cited a 5x increase in the rate of sterilisations (and the usual Zenz quotes). Except the nominal figures were referred as well, and it was an increase from 50 people per year to 250 per year in a region with millions of people.

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While I agree with you, it’s important to remember that most of the death camps were outside of Germany. Hitler set up the most extreme camps in states that the Nazis had already toppled because open genocide tends to lead to civil unrest.

Basically, I’m saying that without the chaos of an all-out world war, I don’t think the holocaust can be used as a standard measurement of how long that process might take.

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I don’t think this is a great argument either way. It’s the exact same one people use to defend Israel. “If Israel is so cruel to Palestinians, how come the population has grown, huh? How long does it take to kill someone?!”

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You can actually find her daughters profile fairly easy, so I dont see a big problem with the chinese government having such a photo. The story from the camp seems legit enough from what Ive heard of reeducation camps (that radio warnerd episode and a few stories here and there), but the way she got into it sounds a bit weird.

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