I think even James Bond and Mission Impossible challenge the sanctity of intelligence agencies more than Tenet.

Let Nolan take you on a mind-bending, time-twisting, journey into a universe where the laws of entropy itself say that everything the CIA does is good and right. The most powerful acts of change in the world are the ones where our government does stuff we don’t know about.

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Nolan’s Batman movies are pretty fascist as well. He very much loves tactical secret government stuff. You have to admit he pulls off that vibe very well, with the evil stuff removed at least.

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i think the most fascist moment is when Batman surveils everybody’s phone and basically justifies it by saying “no it’s fine I’m Batman” and then actually gives up the power when he doesn’t need it anymore

It felt totally pointless to the plot, they could have easily justified him finding Joker another way, but Batman knows what’s best for you so trust authority implicitly

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one of the bootlickers

I mean, are they not an example of legitimate community defense? Ordinary people arming themselves and going after actual dangerous criminals?

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He’s what the fascists and capitalists think they are. He just has all these huge lairs and high tech gadgets that money just kinda creates for him. You never see the hundreds of people doing R&D or the thousands of workers that built his stupid cave.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he beats up a bunch of the guys who built his cave because he ran their payment through a proxy company and skipped out on the contract leaving them broke.

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I’m not a big fan of batman, but I always thought filmmakers wasted his potential by eschewing his supposedly defining feature - his skill as a detective/tactician. I know part of it is Hollywood spectacle, but of all the characters to showcase with special effects, they could’ve had a compelling mystery and save on a budget too.

But no - let’s have a techbro busting heads.

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Someone said that TDKR is basically the Russian Revolution told from the perspective of the tsar.

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Did u watch begins? Nobody built the cave it was already there.

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James Bond alternates so often. Skyfall is basically like this shit is all terrible, the villains the deep state creates always come back to haunt us. Spectre then decides MI6 is the avengers and they all have different roles and help James Bond. And its the same fuckin director for both movies

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idk, it’s been a long time since I watched it, but I remember Judy Dench making a speech in that movie about how Mi6 and people like her and Bond are the last line of defense or some shit.

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literally happens as the villain she created is staging an attack though lol

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Yeah but is it actually good? Nolan has appalling politics but can churn out pretty entertaining movies (although I hated Interstellar pretty passionately). He’s the Leni Riefenstahl of our day.

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It’s not.

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imo it was really fun to watch. Even politically I didn’t notice it was problematic outside of the usual yay feds garbage we all know and love, but fwiw I wasn’t looking for it either, I was just sitting down with friends to watch a cool movie.

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It is by far one of the dumbest movies I have ever seen in my entire life. There is a really, really cool moment about 90 minutes in that gives you like, ten minutes of wonder, where holy shit everything is coming together and then poof. Done. Now you’ve gotta watch another HOUR of inane shit.

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But everyone’s talking about it. I feel like I have to see it. Like I’m being attacked honestly.

Also I think most of Nolan’s movies are pretty good.

  • The one about the dude who forgets everything but he has tattoos to remember—I remember liking it like twenty years ago.

  • The one about the magicians—apparently not good. But there was lightning and birds trapped in metal cages so…

  • Batman Begins—good, maybe great.

  • TDK—good.

  • TDKR—good.

  • Inception—great.

  • Dunkirk—great.

  • Interstellar—absolute fucking dogshit, jesus christ I almost walked out of that one and I never fucking do that and I also love SF.

  • Tenet—everyone says it’s bad, yet everyone is talking about it all the time and purposefully excluding me.

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all of nolan’s films most compelling feature are the villains, beginning with memento where the protagonist is the antagonist.

I enjoy his stuff because it can be watched inverted, the villains are intelligent, articulate and sympathetic, the heroes are confused, muddled and dubious.

in 20 years I think people will be saying nolan’s body of work isn’t any more fascist than paul verhoeven.

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the villians are trying to prevent climate disaster that occurs in the future, and it is basically never addressed beyond that, they are bad cause status quo good, future doesn’t matter or something

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