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Me listening to WTYP: :so-true:
Me when they do this literally every episode :yes-honey-left:
“You didn’t immediately abolish the state? That’s not real socialism! That’s right, socialism has never been tried!”
I really loath this obsession with the state. The state is the state of affairs. The state is the status quo. There is always a state. Even Communism is a state. A civilization with no leaders and no hierarchy is a state. It has a nature to it. It has fundamental laws by which it operates, even if they take the form of physical limitations as opposed to bourgeois legal codes. The entire world has brainworms.
Nation-states are fucking garbage, but you know what? We live in a world dominated by nation states. Where the USA ends, Mexico begins. Where Mexico ends, Guatemala begins. If there is a Communist revolution in Mexico, it won’t do a damn thing about the confines of the global nation-state system. That revolution will have to navigate within that global system until the entire system as we know it is gotten rid of.
Nation-states are fucking garbage, but you know what? We live in a world dominated by nation states. Where the USA ends, Mexico begins. Where Mexico ends, Guatemala begins. If there is a Communist revolution in Mexico, it won’t do a damn thing about the confines of the global nation-state system. That revolution will have to navigate within that global system until the entire system as we know it is gotten rid of.
:this: Elimination of the “state” is necessarily international.
This person would say that the Soviet Union and China didn’t abolish commodity production in favor of production regulated by the criterion of use-value, which according to Marx is what characterizes the transition from capitalism to socialism.
Sounds like an alright answer to me, although you would think China and Russia would be more like the Asiatic mode of production.
Excuse me for having more than one neuron and knowing what leftcoms think.
:mao-wtf: Maoists rejecting the Soviet Union as a whole as not socialist would be odd, though. :mao-wtf:
I admit that I used to be this guy.
Emphasis on used to be.
Most people can’t define ‘communism’ in the same way they can’t define ‘patriotism’. It’s difficult to describe any government as entirely communistic or entirely capitalistic. What is patriotism? People feel like patriots regardless of the actions they take: they don’t join the military, they may not act any different than any other american. ‘Patriotism’ is valued more than the actual things they represent, such as actual piety, civic virtue, or true patriotism. These terms are often used as a proxy for something else, ‘good’ and ‘evil’, and not its multi-valued orientation of each implementation having its own qualities. These abstractions are real though, it’s just difficult to use them at the proper level of abstraction.
It’s difficult to describe any government as entirely communistic or entirely capitalistic.
This is a very good point. These modes of production are phenomena which don’t occur in a vacuum. They interact with each other and play off one another. They emerge out of the conditions created by their predecessors. Capitalism in its infancy began in small pockets. It developed out of Feudalism and had to operate within the confines of a Feudalistic society. As a self-perpetuating system, it expanded in a drawn-out process which took centuries, and even today you can still see the imprints left by pre-capitalist socioeconomic development. At no point did somebody suddenly declare “Folks, we’re doing Capitalism now,” and the whole world became Capitalist.
The same is true of Communism. Communism begins in the pockets of the globe where Capitalism has ripened the conditions to such a degree which it can emerge. Communism expands from there, in a long, drawn-out process that will likely also take centuries. Communism will bear the scars and birthmarks of the society from which it was born, and it will take a long time for those scars to fade.
Communism will bear the scars and birthmarks of the society from which it was born, and it will take a long time for those scars to fade.
The old world is dying, and the new one struggles to be born?
:gramsci-heh: Looks like we’re entering the time of monsters, folks.
