Like, hear me out, Libs have always sucked but I remember in High School I was friends with a lot of self IDed capital L liberals, and while they had plenty of :brainworms: of their own, they were generally at least fairly anti-war, not anti-imperialist mind you but generally on the dove-ish side of the spectrum. Several of them attended anti-Iraq war protests and whatnot.

Now suddenly it seems like everyone to the right of Marxist-Leninism is a bloodthirsty hawk. Idk if that’s just social media astroturfing by lanyard types, polling stats seem to suggest the base of the Dem party is less interventionist than the party itself. But, idk, it’s weird how this demographic went from being, at the very least, skeptical of US foreign policy, now all of the sudden wants to nuke Moscow.

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I remember how over the top racist and bloodthirsty libs in general were in the aftermath of 9/11 so I think you’re just noticing it more. That’s what happens when you expand your lens of analysis. I remember how much shit clicked into place for me when someone on the old sub told me to listen to :citations-needed:

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You’re probably remembering the Bush years when we had a limited anti-war movement which, for the most part, mysteriously disappeared around the time Obama won.

Cindy Sheehan comes to mind. Apparently, she’s still floating around out there.

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holy shit she ran as vice presidential candidate with Roseanne Barr as presidential candidate for an eco-socialist party in 2012. i knew i hadn’t hallucinated that!

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for the most part, mysteriously disappeared around the time Obama won.

The coverage evaporated under Obama, but the anti-war movement had already taken a big nose dive in 2005 when police crackdowns got fierce. Obama’s win offered a bit of a boost, but by 2012 it was once again in the tank because they were so totally ineffectual.

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My dad (a foxpilled military guy who spent time in Iraq) had what felt like a personal vendetta against Cindy Sheehan.

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Forever Wars: now also combating ageism!

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Name rings a bell…was she one of those people who deployed to Iraq so that Saddam could use them as human shields on important targets?

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The United States is the most Fascist nation on Earth, with a greater portion of Fascists making up the population than Nazi Germany. The average American does not consider foreigners human.

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what is to be done, then?

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I ask myself that every day. We build until the time is right, but I do think that we won’t be able to make much progress until things keep coming apart on the periphery. So much harder to police the core when you’re not able to extract from the colonies anymore.

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Don’t give up, Evo Morales

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If the US wants war, anti war messages will be silenced in the mass media, and they’ve certainly learned how to manipulate social media on this front as well.

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If the US wants war, anti war messages will be silenced in the mass media

And it literally always does…

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