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I have been going for a more genral approach. The government says those are true. The government always only lies. Politicians lie to get elected, and we let them. They just keep lying in office. I can’t off the top of my head think of something the government isn’t lying about either generally or specifically. Just dismiss his claim out of hand till he cna tell you the government is a reliable source. Maybe call him a sheeple, if hr is old enough that’ll get him mad.
- If there were refugees we would for sure be hiring them to talk shit. Have him look up nayirah.
- Havana syndrome is reall, cuba is so far advanced tech wise that they have weapons we can’t figure out. We should surrendee to them before they use them on us.
- It did leak from a lab, just one of ours.
- Ukrain and Russia are really still the same country. Ukrain has more natzis but they have the same laws. If russia took over almost no one would notice a difference
Ukraine is basically Russia’s Texas if Texas actually managed to secede minus the genocide of the native americans. Fake ass country existed for like 10 years before being incorporated into the USSR.
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ask to show evidence (statistics on rapid depopulation etc)
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unprovable, but china cares more about health of it people self-evidently (together with taiwan, vietnam and new zealand maybe)
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lol
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ukraine can perfectly well be neutral, or freeze in winter :shrug-outta-hecks: only somehow freemarket doesn’t apply to gas transit.
Also ask him how would he like medium range ballistic missiles in cuba, and 10 k russian soldiers there, and how would broader usa react to it, point to history in case he says it’s okay
The Ukraine issue is pretty straightforward. The country explicitly denied the right to self determination (secession) in its constitution because it knew regions with ethnic Russian majorities (like in Crimea and Sevastopol) would vote to join Russia, while regions like Donbas which have significant Russian populations would be at risk of seceding. Sevastopol and Crimea did vote to join Russia (as did half of the local military forces) and Donbas has been in a low grade civil war for almost a decade now.
In that civil war, the most liberal estimation of Russian soldiers involved has been 12,000 (the US deployed at least 112,000 at the peak of the Iraq War for comparison and had 5,200 stationed until last year along with 20,000 marines in embassies and thousands of PMCs). Keep in mind though, that when hawks fret about Russian “aggression” towards Ukraine, they mean Russian soldiers moving within Russian borders on the edge of an active war zone in Ukraine (since they struggle to produce any actual documentation of Russian soldiers in Donbas). Is it aggression when Russia stations soldiers within its own borders? Is it aggression when the Russian military acts as a buffer against an ongoing civil war? No of course it isn’t and it’s chauvinism to suggest that Russians do not have that right because it upsets the liberal hawks (not to even mention the crimes of their own country).
Which countries allow the right to secession? I mean, it would be great if all nation-states gave that right to the territories they govern, but in practice how common is it?
Ukraine actually does, on the condition that the rest of Ukraine agrees to it as well. While I’m not aware of the right being explicit anywhere, the right to self determination (meaning secession) for peoples in Europe and Asia has been a liberal (and left) position for over a century, and it should be easy to demonstrate hypocrisy and opportunism when say, Taiwan should be allowed to secede but not Crimea. If op’s “bro” is so nakedly reactionary that they don’t care then op should simply use that metric to end the discussion.
havana syndrome
I don’t know how you expect to win an argument with a preschooler
The numbers and methods of counting for the original study all these uyghur claims are based on was a fucking joke.
