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There’s this Italian philosopher that pretty much wrote a whole book about shitting on the snobby way of tasting wine, and pretty much saying that all of that is meaningless in the face of the potential for the taste and the experience of wine drinking to connect people with each other, with the earth, and with a different way of thinking. I attended a wine tasting led by him, and it was pretty cool, albeit bizarre.
EDIT: Found an article where he explains his ideas, and mocks wine “experts” and snobs
:wojak-nooo: nooo you have to drink this extremely expensive wine and describe the chocolate or nut or whatever notes it has while drinking
:gigachad: ha ha 10 buck box wine go brr
The fact that we know people can have different reactions to tastes (like cilantro, the fact that mental state and what you’ve eaten or drank recently can effect your senses, and other stuff) kinda makes me wonder if it’s a weird conclusion that each person could possibly recognize an “objective” taste profile of something with their subjective senses and experiences
Like at best youre randomly similar to an equally subjective experience that just happened to be lionized and enshrined in some standard perception.
Plus, either way, they’ve done tons of studies on wine experts and fooled them with cheap wine like a bajillion times.
It’s really about picking something arbitrary that you can be good at that other people can’t be and patting yourself on the back for clearing your imaginary goal
The fact that we know people can have different reactions to tastes (like cilantro, the fact that mental state and what you’ve eaten or drank recently can effect your senses, and other stuff) kinda makes me wonder if it’s a weird conclusion that each person could possibly recognize an “objective” taste profile of something with their subjective senses and experiences
Like at best your randomly similar to an equally subjective experience that just happened to be lionized and enshrined in some standard perception.
Aesthetics (as in, the philosophical discipline) has some really cool takes on the subject, and it is still a matter of debate. Not to mention the idea of criticism or expertise having any actual weight when it comes to for example art or music. I am an absolute nerd about food and philosophy, so i have gone down that rabbithole.
Taste is pretty cool because it is both largely socially constructed and not completely physiological. It actually involves a whole bunch of other things, and ecological theory of perception opens the door to ways of understanding taste and appreciation that kinda blow your mind when you read and kinda take them in. It pretty much does away with the whole idea of objectivity, but it doesn’t just shrug and say “well shit, everything is subjective now”. I keep teasing that i’ll make effortposts about my dissertation research, which is related to this stuff. Once i’m done with it i’ll try to do that.
Kid who reviews Fruit by the Loop with Good/Bad/Yucky please start tasting wine.
“I’m kind of like a public intellectual”, I say as I pour my fifth drink before noon.
I’ve taken out several credit cards in my children’s names to pay for wine. One day they can read my reviews which include one with four stars due to how much it tasted like blueberries when I was throwing up on the steering wheel.
I watched a documentary about wine collectors called Sour Grapes after someone recommended it to me. After 30 minutes, I was ready to retch at the self-righteousness of the people depicted. I was ready to give it up, until it revealed how one guy managed to cheat wine collectors out of millions of dollars with cheap wine and homemade labels. It was inspiring, until the end, where the guy is sentenced to ten years in prison.
Did you guys see that study where a researcher gave sommeliers 2 glasses of cheap white wine, except one was dyed to look like red wine?
They didn’t even fucking notice it was the same wine, and described them in vastly different ways.
Wine tasting is total bullshit.
there’s some John Cleese hosted wine tasting docu where they do blind tastings with novice and expert tasters, but they use a cup that hides the contents (so unable to see the liquid at all - literally blind tasting)
and even the experts couldn’t distinguish red from white better than random guessing
sweet - I found it on the tube!
