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These AIs and datasets should be required by law to be open source. If there weren’t 8 companies making 8 new self driving datasets it’d be way safer if they were merged

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Just wait until that same “competition” drives each company to see what % confidence the market will bear.

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Even if they were it’s still be 8 companies trying to justify why 6 people die in all their trolley problem simulations.

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Honestly, all car manufacturers would need to justify this if we really had any way of reckoning with them. Cars in general are one of the most unsafe things that we’ve collectively agreed is fine despite alternatives being available

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“More data” doesn’t necessarily solve anything at all. It’s tempting to think that, and that if there’s just enough data we can solve all problems. But it’s very, very far from the truth. Machine learning (AKA glorified curve fitting) is interesting, but the reality is that it’s an approach for a pretty limited set of problems. “How do I pilot a complex vehicle in a complex world from A to B without killing people,” just likely isn’t one of them, even if it might be applicable to ask, “Is this a raccoon or a baby human?” from small snapshots along the way to solving that problem. Not only that, but datasets are usually pretty specific to the algorithm they are applied to, and they require a huge amount of manual testing and maintenance to apply to them to say “Yes, this really does look like a solution,” or, “No, you’re coming to insane conclusions,” at every step along the way. In other words, the bigger the dataset, the more the algorithm’s hand must be held too (not necessarily a linear relationship, but a positive correlation if you want that data to actually be useful for anything…).

(There’s more involved in autopilot software than just machine learning, but that’s what the “big datasets” thing applies to.)

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I’d imagine they are using a bunch of narrow AI functions for various parts of the machine, but still hand crafting the core algorithm. I remember the first self-driving car was really just a robot attached to a steering wheel and a dashcam. So what it was learning to recognize was just which way the road was curved. It drove at a fixed 5mph and was still really dangerous to ride in even after training. That was like 50 years ago but still

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i mean, yeah, thats what captcha is for. and idk, more data does in fact make it safer. look at research papers of it. sure, itll never get perfect but at least its safer than humans most times. but what would be even safer is trains :train-shining:

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I can’t wait for one of those funny looking google cars to run me over cause it didn’t want to spill the occupants drinks.

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Terminator, but Skynet decides to become a machine God instead of human murder machine.

“Arnold was sent back in time for your sins”

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Deaths from magic cars isn’t a good thing but unlike regular crashes the system can learn from it & apply that knowledge to future situations to not kill people - which is a good thing. It’s that or 50,000 lemmings doing the same asinine fuck up resulting in death indefinitely & nobody learning from those mistakes.

The systems absolutely need to be open sourced & have huge oversight though because obvi capitalisms incentives aren’t ever going to be reduce deaths as much as possible. Wonder what Elon values one life at, monetarily?

Humans are fast becoming the bottleneck - we have like 10 sensors relevant to driving & a slow ass reaction time, computerized systems can absolutely beat us out at that. Not embracing that inevitability WILL kill people.

The important thing is not killing people needlessly while we bootstrap those technologies

Also fuck cars, gimme trains

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Deaths from magic cars isn’t a good thing but unlike regular crashes the system can learn from it & apply that knowledge to future situations to not kill people - which is a good thing. It’s that or 50,000 lemmings doing the same asinine fuck up resulting in death indefinitely & nobody learning from those mistakes.

This is a hell of a false dichotomy

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Teslas are uniquely bad at driving because they only have a few 2d cameras and it’s really hard to extrapolate a 3d world from that.

The other companies that are using lidar or arrays of cameras can actually tell if there’s an unmoving object in the road ahead.

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:so-true: JUST MACHINE LEARN TO REDUCE LE UNIT COST

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Wait the 2d cameras aren’t in an array or whatever to get that 3d depth perception like our eyes? They’re just individually spewing data and it’s not being digested in a way that derives depth? I find that really hard to believe

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Incredibly dangerous. The tech is not ready.

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