There is a lot of answers but if I’d say just one it would be rejecting the current institutional power. At least right now in our time period. Fully rejecting the imperial state, no matter how much they potentially benefit from it seems like a solid transition

we are all lib so let’s not gatekeep what leftist™️ actually is. I guarantee you were a lib once too(still are, but once too.)

Material conditions. Once they lose the safety of wealth they will learn very quickly how far liberalism get them

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Yeah that is :100-com: right there

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yes it’s when the stuff on The News intersects with the bubble they currently live in and becomes real.

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I agree though that having had some material resources before is a pre-condition to class consciousness of that sense. There are other forms of class consciousness like that of workers who never got beyond paycheck to paycheck in poverty - even in the imperial core - or that of agrarian workers in China in the last century, or indigenous resistance elsewhere.

But the labour aristocracy (which benefits from imperialism) in the core and of that the subsection which had “decent” lives (controlled by full work weeks dividing social relations between you and family, offspring and partners, controlling social relations to you and the community) those need to fall a bit to real change what they think and how they will act within the framework of a mass movement.

The funny thing is that during a transitional period in which money is still accepted and used the vital resources of material, social and mental capacities they can command with it could be used to strengthen our movement. My hot take is: It was good that Engels financed Marx and the party.

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the third encounter with garfield hentai

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When you’re that deep in the dialectics trenches you definitely earned a few medals

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nice try, pervert! :hentai-free:

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i used to be a lib. i still am, but i used to too.

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:rat-salute:

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What do you feel is the tipping point for libs to become fascist*

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Their being slightly inconvenienced by any minority group fighting for its rights. And/or feeling like their material privilege is potentially threatened in any way by redistributive policies

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Well said

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Idk probably supporting anything the military or cops do

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Raised in a suburb and seeing literally any amount of crime on TV

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it was material precarity for me, mostly, but i think institutional failure plays a role too. like the tension of poor material conditions winds us up and watching a respected institution fail sets us loose. or maybe that only creates the opening for a lib to investigate leftism.

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