Got into a conversation with someone today and I mentioned the Soviets liberated a lot of Nazi camps. They looked at me like I was evil and said “Well they’re bombing innocent people today and accusing them of being Nazis”
I said that while I’m not a fan of modern Russia, the Azov Battalion is in fact Nazi, and Ukraine has had a Nazi problem for a while.
They didn’t know who Azov are and just said “Well they’re probably all gone now. They’re just bombing innocent people.”
I’m sick of people thinking I’m some kind of evil modern Russian oligarchy stan or crazy conspiracy theorist just because I acknowledge the fact that Nazis exist and are a big problem. If Ukraine wins, those strengthened Nazi groups that are supported by western aid and the Ukraine government are going to go full fascist.
decades of war on terror propaganda has compressed the average American’s brain into a pate-like paste
Yeah they did a whole lot of stupid shit early in the war that gave Russia a lot of legal cover to just machine-gun civilians then point to Zelensky and the Rada and say “Well they made all civilian men combatants, not our problem”. Handing out rifles to civilians, impressing everyone, etc.
There’s nothing else you can do. Maybe, but probably not, you broke the spell that allows someone to think this is a straightforward matter of good vs. evil.
That’s the hard part. I walk on eggshells at work over this stuff, but some people trust me enough or are open minded enough that they seem to believe me when I say something like Azov is a bunch of nazis and I was reading about them long before this war started, or if I point out that Ukraine has been at war with Donbas for 8 years and it this point it doesn’t seem like it ever will or should be part of Ukraine again.
I try to tone down the critique of American hegemony and just talk around it.
What’s this? Tavor rifles? From Israel? Gosh, it’s almost as if Israel supports them. Oh wait they do. Tavor rifles are produced under license from Israel Weapon Industries and as such were manufactured and exported authorized by Israeli government bodies.
Well that’s probably a Trump conspiracy theory, so let’s consult The Atlantic Council, a hardcore NATO organization: Why [Ukrainian Nazis] should not be designated a foreign terrorist organization.
The post admitted that it is “indisputable” that Azov’s ideology is rooted in Nazism, and the “leading core of” it “was formed by the far right.” But Shekhovtsov argued that Azov must not be designated a terrorist organization because it is a special operations detachment of the Ukrainian National Guard, and therefore “an integral part of official structures” of the state, following “orders given by the Interior Ministry.”
Labeling this Ukrainian government-sponsored Nazi group a terrorist organization would be a “gift to the Kremlin,” Shekhovtsov insisted.
NATO thought so poorly of these Nazis that they embedded a journalist in their violent fascist group for a sympathetic inside look. The “Battle For Mariupol” report makes absolutely no mention of their fascist ideology.
Did the SuccDems do this song and dance with the Freikorps last time around?
But Shekhovtsov argued that Azov must not be designated a terrorist organization because it is a special operations detachment of the Ukrainian National Guard, and therefore “an integral part of official structures” of the state, following “orders given by the Interior Ministry.”
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Azov Battalion literally has the black sun on their patch, just show them that lol it’s so obvious
