Imagine you live in the US and you have dual citizenship: American/Canadian. You have a job that allows travel. Considering the Christofascism that’s coming…

  • When would you move to Canada?

  • If you stayed in the US - when might you realize you waited far too long and you had a “Oh, fuck - I’m the frog” moment?

I want to stay in the US and I live in a super-blue county in a blue state. But I don’t want to become the frog. I have such dual citizenship and moving is doable for me provided I plan as far ahead as possible. I don’t expect Canada to be nirvana but I fear the worst for the US.

34 points

Identity wise I’m pretty privileged, so I see it as my my duty to stick it out in the US. Most people won’t be able to get out, I’m gonna stay here and continue to struggle, come hell or high water.

If you do need to get out, I wouldn’t go to Canada. If you expect US to get that bad, Canada won’t be far behind.

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I feel kinda like you do. Plus there’s a small fact that my ancestors have lived in parts of this country for like 10,000+ years. I feel a vague sense of loyalty to the land and it’s stewardship.

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what are you worried about? Becoming a political prisoner? We will organize the prisons like the IRA. Getting shot by a cop or a right wing paramilitary? That’s already a threat even if you aren’t causing any trouble.

leaving may be a good option for some people, like if you are worried about a health issue (trans healthcare might be extremely difficult to find here soon for example) or an active fugitive, but you shouldn’t go into exile to primarily protect your personal comfort. we have a vital revolution to organize here, in the imperial core, where the fate of all of humanity will be decided: socialism or barbarism. I’m not planning on sitting on the sidelines in such an important fight. Chrisofascism is not inevitable, that’s defeatism, what is inevitable is conflict and class warfare. There will be no fascism if we win that fight.

If I was in your situation I’d probably just establish a little hideout in Canada you can go to in a worse case situation. A cabin in the woods or something.

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When would you move to Canada?

Yesterday

If you stayed in the US - when might you realize you waited far too long and you had a “Oh, fuck - I’m the frog” moment?

It depends if you are one of the groups affected by recent decisions and what/how they will affect you or those close to you. I don’t know what your red line is, but there’s a nonzero chance the Rubicon has already been crossed.

Just remember that moving to Canada is only a temporary reprieve. They will come for Canada as well.

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You stay in the US and organize to fight the American regime because you’re a communist, not a coward.

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When would you move to Canada?

In terms of self-preservation: immediately if there are no other factors keeping you in the US.

If you stayed in the US - when might you realize you waited far too long and you had a “Oh, fuck - I’m the frog” moment?

When the Brownshirts are organized and patrolling and nobody is stopping them.

With that said, there’s still time to do organizing work before the status quo shifts substantially. That status quo is already bad, so I understand people wanting to leave, though.

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there’s still time to do organizing work

At this point I think having sympathetic comrades outside of the US is at least as important as having them in the US. We need to start thinking about escape routes for the most vulnerable.

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