Honestly its rude to be invited by a country to meet their president who decided to respond to your criticisms of their administration only to not show up and go meet the opposition.
Being invided and then no showing shows complete disregard to basic diplomatic Etiquette since it was a mission to show solidarity against the embargo
Bonus socdems being cringe part 4.5: about another member that didnt show up to the presidential meeting
Deeply unserious people
not surprising. shameful, pathetic behavior, but not surprising in the least.
it is time, Maria and Reneé
Is it really a struggle session? Everybody except one (Banned ) person is in agreement that they should be at least ejected be from the org for this shameful display.
I mostly meant it in the literal, historical sense
public spectacles in Maoist China where people accused of being “class enemies” were publicly humiliated, accused
It was the two succdem caucuses, the image describing events is from the commie caucus calling out their asses
Hopefully Maria and Renée get blowback for this.
R&R are communists. This is from Redstar not Commie Caucus. You literally have no clue what you are talking about. Commie caucus generally doesn’t care about DSA internals, they are into renters unions
I said the commie caucus not the Commie caucus
The Commie caucus are less commie then Red Star.
Also I was calling R&R succdem as a reductionist insult, what would be a more accurate insult?
I don’t know comrade, I don’t know the rules of this game you are playing. But I know this debate and the people involved. Its not my fault you can’t keep your facts straight, maybe keep quiet if you’re clueless. No investigation, no something something
I mean, singling these losers out is cool, but it seems weird to call out all of DSA for the ugly behavior of these two bad actors. After all, this is a statement coming from within DSA. Its not coming from the Cubans themselves. The fucking President took time to meet with them, which would seem to suggest Cuban organizers are largely supportive of these outreach efforts.
Giving these two tickets was a mistake. But organizing the trip, getting Americans to visit the island, and putting them face-to-face with a bonafide AES state leader should be a huge mark in DSA’s favor.
Did you read the linked article? It goes into more detail about the organizational failures not limited to two participants.
It does, but I’m reading it as an outcropping of the fractured state of the returning committee membership.
I can’t speak to what the International Committee facilitated, but I can say I’ve seen some off-shot of the delegation’s visit via Noah Pasarán regarding the history of the embargo and its long term and most recent economic consequences. This is some of the most real and informative coverage of the Cuban Embargo I’ve had the opportunity to access, and I would consider this kind of outreach invaluable when attempting to shift views on our foreign policy.
To dismiss the efforts of the DSA participants as a whole seems shortsighted, as it appears more radicalized members of the delegation such as Noah continued to advocate for and send support to the country.
The article also seems to completely neglect that the DSA delegation brought 500 lbs of medical supplies to the island. Which seems like a bigger thing to crow about than two naysayers with shitty attitudes.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
It’s written by DSA members trying to improve the DSA, it seems pretty clear they’d focus on what they want to improve rather than back-patting themselves on aid they brought.
I’ll call out all of the DSA for wasting everyones time and energy giving life support to DNC instead of growing the PSL or Greens.
If this is how they act, this isn’t a mark in their favor it’s a fucking disgrace and Cubans will soon move on to another group with less chauvinist predispositions
Other groups send delegations to Cuba regularly, including PSL and Cuba-specific groups like those opposing the embargo. I’m not sure if FRSO has a delegation or not, or whether they join some of the amalgamation delegations that go every do often (they probably do one of those options).
None of the goals are mentioned, none of the organizations leaders are named, and there’s no mention of when or how the author plans to
materially intervene against our government’s imperialist aggression by dismantling the embargo
I might be ignorant on this, but did DSA call these people out or apologize for their behavior? Because they were essentially acting as diplomats for the org and if not strongly refuted then indeed reflect badly on the org as a whole.
The DSA isn’t a single entity really, it’s a decentralized mass of tons of different squabbling groups. Some of them are attempting to repudiate them, others are defending them. The DSA isn’t really capable of enforcing discipline on its members.
This whole organization is a mess, being able to keep a cogent message for the party is the bare minimum in organizing political action
Yes, we can absolutely criticize the DSA for actions it’s members do, especially while part of an official delegation.
Just disband if you don’t want to be an accountable organization.
Way to miss their point. They aren’t saying the DSA should disband, they are saying they should shape up and act like an actual accountable organization with internal discipline.
Official delegates are representatives. They represent the organization. Stop squirming out of it
I left after a number of years being deeply engaged in it because of this and I think their failure to have even rudimentary ideological unity is what has led to their current crisis.
Props comrade. All our groups draw circles around what we think are appropriate ideas to be a member of an org, but when you don’t practice democratic centralism, and just let anyone break the rules at any time because “freedom”, it doesn’t build much trust or faith from the public, who are expecting a group even more disciplined and consistent than the current leaders to run things.
It might be possible for a big tent org to do this, but DSA has probably more members of the selfish individualist liberal orientation than not.
These fucking idiots get the possibility of meeting with and creating an ally for their cause with state resources that has actively used those resources to secretly fund and support foreign causes in the past and they stupidly do this shit?
Absolute fucking idiots. I have no other words. The complete and total failure to see an opportunity presenting itself to these morons is beyond stupidity.
The complete and total failure to see an opportunity presenting itself to these morons is beyond stupidity.
It’s beyond stupidity alright. No one is this fucking stupid, so the only reasonable conclusion is that they’re ops.
I genuinely don’t think they actually thought through any of this. They’ve treated it like it’s some school trip where a class gets to meet the prez and say a few words. Not as a real and serious political organisation trying to make ties that will benefit their cause.
Would they behave this way with the UK? With Norway or Sweden? Countries that wouldn’t give them the time of day and wouldn’t support them? Would they offend them with criticisms of how they run their states if given any kind of diplomatic welcome? I somehow think they wouldn’t. They’d treat it like a westerners day out.
They went there to lecture them. Imbeciles. A country that in the past has not been against literally arming their allies in foreign nations. Let alone providing lukewarm resource support.
Just incredible shortsightedness. These are people you should be building trust with to eventually reach the point of collaboration.
They went there to lecture them.
Exactly. Why did this arrogant westoid think they have any right to share their “critiques” anyway. Extremely patient and kind of Diaz-Canal to even entertain their bullshit and offer them a private meeting to address their critiques. Critiques and reforms of the Cuban project should come from Cubans, not from Americans. Why does she think she has any right to dictate anything to the Cubans whatsoever? She’s so arrogant she thinks she has the solution while Cubans are just too stupid to figure it out? She should have been there to learn, not to lecture.
No trust me there are people exactly this stupid and they’re the dominant members of the DSA.
The DSA is made up primarily of Sanders Dems and entryist Trots that think they’re very sneaky. There are minorities that are better but these groups are louder and maintain their positions by being exhausting, i.e. fundamentally liberal.
The trots and succdems are currently the minority faction on the national political committee?
