They’re still going through with it and maintaining that they have the right to change the terms whenever they feel like. As expected they’re rolling back one or two things (which they can undo whenever they want) and acting like people won. Fuck WotC.

19 points

silver lining:
hopefully this pushes people to play things other than 5e

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“Our plan was always to solicit the input of our community before any update to the OGL; the drafts you’ve seen were attempting to do just that.” Just straight up lying, how could this be true when we only knew about the new ogl due to leaks

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they wanted to solicit the parts of the community that agreed with them

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a couple of the leaked contracts were sent to creators with the intent of being signed as an actual contract, so how could they have ever been “just drafts”

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Oh this is just some pr flack pushing air out of it’s chitinous mouth plates to approximate human speech. There’s no semantic meaning.

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oh yeah ill definitely trust a corporation that tried to rent seek an entire industry, sure

pathfinder is an objectively superior system and I made this account to talk about it, actually. otherwise I don’t really post at all. play pathfinder and support their union

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Pathfinder relied on OGL, I’m not sure what Paizo is planning in reaction to this.

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Paizo is writing their own OGL with a bunch of other small publishers, while also saying they’ll take WotC to court if they try to ‘rugpull’ OGL1.0a.

And to be fair, Pathfinder 2e doesn’t use OGL for much, at this point its mostly just a few names and concepts; they’ve said they decided to publish 2e on OGL mostly for convenience’s sake, so they didn’t have to have a lawyer look over everything written to make sure it didn’t ‘steal’ stuff.

Paizo’s Pathfinder card game isn’t OGL, and as a result has stuff like “Arcane Barrage” instead of “Magic Missile”.

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So apparently all the stuff that the OGL “allows” is actually stuff Hasbro can’t copyright, like the game rules. Paizo already pretty much moved past all that stuff, too. So there isn’t really much if anything that Hasbro owns that they’re actually using.

Apparently the OGL was kind of a scam to trick 3rd party companies to agree to rules that were more restrictive than fair use. Since D&D is built on so many commons things like mythology, religion, or just books that Hasbro doesn’t own, there’s only a limited amount of D&D stuff that Hasbro has any claim too.

So Hasbro’s ability to stop anyone from making D&D supplements is actually really limited. As long as they don’t use any copyrighted language 3rd party companies can make whatever they want.

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Cool, glad they have it sorted.

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Honestly kinda funny when you realize the OGL was made to have DnD as the main deliveyr point (since you used their system and core rulebooks) and then could bolt supplements on to it. Another case of capitalists brutally butchering their golden goose and then getting confused when there’s no more golden eggs.

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The whole reason the OGL existed was because 90% of that shit can’t be copyrighted and the OGL was basically an agreement that no one wanted to figure it out in court

Why can capitalists never remember why they made decisions in the first place?

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Paizo have released the ORC license in response and have made it clear they intend to go to court if the original OGL license is deauthorised.

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6si7v

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Lmao dorks

“Uh um we just wanted to update the license to stop (pst frank, what does the fans say they hate?) Stop the Racists! And NFTS!”

Glad I dropped WotC content over the last couple of years. Well, mostly, I still play 3.5 sometimes, but out of the stack of books I own.

(admittedly, I never used DnD beyond or MTG arena, but that’s mostly because I hate centralized web services. Shit feels like it always ends up like this)

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Complete horseshit. Just a way for them to reduce the amount of people criticising them right now and maybe get people to stop cancelling their DNDBeyond subs.

It is clear that no matter what, they will move forward with a new OGL, which will be worse for creators. The only thing to do is to divert away as much attention as possible from D&D and into other systems. Whether that’s Pathfinder or something else.

Unfortunately, unlike with 4e, D&D today is way bigger than it ever was. Which means there are way too many casual people who learn about it from Stranger Things and the new movie that is coming out. We can’t stop that.

But it is absolutely vital to stop the online means of casual people getting into D&D: all the actual play livestreams and videos and podcasts. This means your Critical Roles and Dimension 20s. They have to stop playing and promoting D&D and move to alternative systems. That is the only way to meaningfully stop making D&D such a huge part of the ttrpg scene.

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Didn’t one of the critical role guys turn out to be a sex pest?

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I have no idea.

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He left a long time ago before he got outed. He visibly was making the group uncomfortable in his last episodes so I kinda think there was more to it than was public.

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I forgot about that. Dude ate nonstop and kept touching and creeping on one of the girls. He also godmoded, argued constantly with the dm and players, almost never paid attention while constantly demanding attention, stole ideas from the other players (his character basically had all the other characters gimmicks by the end) and accepted tons of gifts from the fanbase. Those early episodes are almost worth watching for him being a constant trainwreck – like just everything you shouldn’t ever do

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