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Just say NO to yankee gentrifiers

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is xenophobia cool now?

is turning away refugees from one of the most right wing countries on earth a marxist position now?

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Lol, what we think doesn’t matter. We aren’t in charge of Russia, China, and Vietnam. Once Americans reach refugee status, they’ll likely turn you away whether they claim to be marxists or not.

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as an american, xenophobia towards americans is completely justified. You make a hell of a lot of inflammatory positions whenever you enter a chat-

wait libsoc is that you?

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as an american, xenophobia towards americans is completely justified.

I know counter-factuals are a-historical and kinda pointless, but imagine how many genocides could have been prevented if all indigenous peoples had killed whitey on sight instead of engaging with their missionaries and letting them settle?

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Surely you see the irony in an American going to a third world country and declaring “refugee status”. Even if America is doing poorly, going to the countries OP mentioned (China and Vietnam), the ones that literally make everything for Americans and the rest of world, countries that are only catching up to US life expectancy now, countries where your average person only got a refrigerator and only achieved full electrification in the last decade, (I think 1/4 Vietnamese households still did not have a fridge by 2018), and claiming to be a refugee will not go far or well.

Working a shit job with no way to retire or to stop having to work 60 hours a week when your body is killing you… Makes you a fucking refugee

How do you think people work in the global south? How do you think your average Chinese or Vietnamese factory worker, that likely made the shoes you are wearing and the electronic device you are typing on, works? If that makes you a refugee, then 99% of the world’s population are refugees, and by that standard, what does that make the average person in the countries people want to move to? A slave? Why do you think so many people flee their countries to try move to the US and Europe? Why do so many global south countries struggle with brain drain to the west?

If you want to move to another country for a cheaper cost of living do it, but don’t claim to be a refugee, that’s just ignorant. Words actually have meanings.

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Ahh, but haven’t you considered that if a first worlder hasn’t received their fair share of plunder from the Global South, that makes them the real victim?

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Almost every expat I know is usually some tech worker (recently remote work is becoming more popular) or a teacher, and a couple of entertainers. The teacher is likely more valuable and “fairer” as your salary is usually more in line with what the citizen teachers make, and you’re teaching others a valuable skill. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of an expat integrate into the more common jobs like day laborer, farmer, construction worker, etc.

Not saying you should just worship poverty and perseverance porn, but calling yourself a refugee while you’re likely getting paid $60,000 remote coding job from the country you escaped from might make you seem out of touch

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Words actually have meanings.

Lol here comes the language prescriptivist. Actually, if you wanna get all :shapiro-gavel: about it a refugee is : one that flees (especially: a person who flees to a foreign country or power to escape danger or persecution) (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/refugee). And living in the US is full of dangers like not having health insurance or having to pay high bills even if you do. QED, checkmate lib!

But all jokes aside, I see what HexbearGPT is saying. I get it. You do too. The west, especially the US, fucking sucks. I don’t mind calling myself a refugee if try to escape this hellhole. If anything it adds more validity to how fucked up it is here. Maybe we’re not as “dire” of refugees as those from the global south, but I have absolutely no problem using that term for fleeing this shitty place.

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Lol is this a joke

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Not all of us live lives of privilege. Surprise!

Working a shit job with no way to retire or to stop having to work 60 hours a week when your body is killing you, when you could move somewhere where you could afford to buy a small place and stop paying rent so you could work less or retire makes you a fucking refugee.

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is turning away refugees from one of the most right wing countries on earth a marxist position now?

I would support open borders for every Syrian, Yemenese, Libyan, Afghan, Iraqi, etc, etc before I support accepting even a single American “refugee”.

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Yes, get wrecked :cracker:

Gotta keep American mental viruses contained :sicko-hair:

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If the place you’re living in is getting gentrified, it’s xenophobic to dislike the gentrifiers.

:picard:

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Those responsible for gentrification are not the plebs pushed around the land by market forces and state policies, the people responsible are those who run the banks and create the government policies that lead to gentrification because it is profitable for the investor class.

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The only good American I’ve ever interacted with was a black expat english teacher who literally made our class watched a :sankara-shining: documentary

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I mean it’s only cheap when you take into account that you are earning US dollars in the US, and the people living there are earning local wages. If you plan to move there and get a job, unless you plan on getting some upper class gig or earning US dollars, those apartments will no longer be cheap compared to your monthly wage.

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The implication I take from ‘retirement’ is that you’re bringing a big wad of saved-up cash with you. That way you are paying for ‘cheap’ stuff with your US wage.

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Many countries will grant permanent residency visas if you have a certain retirement (social security , pension) income.

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Meh there are some positions in places like China that pay well even in Chinese money, especially when you consider the cost of living is lower even for the Chinese themselves.

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Shanghai is apparently having a tech boom right now for instance

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Good luck getting a visa to enter. You can’t just decide to move there, you have to have a reason: a job offer (requires 4 year degree, yes they call your university and check, the days of phony diplomas are long over), become a student (nobody over 30) or be married to one of their citizens.

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Argentina has in its constitution that they can’t turn anyone down, hence the nazi jokes and so on.

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12 points

How is Uruguay? What’s the people and culture and job prospects like?

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Is it possible to fly someone over from another country who wants to live in the US, marry them, and just trade places lol.

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14 points

Human trafficking with socialist characteristics.

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Mutual trafficking. Human carpooling?

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Beau of the fifth column, this u?

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The State Department is super suspicious of international marriages due to all the loser white men with mail-order brides. High rates of fraud, likely to be denied.

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Makes sense. I didn’t realize mail order brides were still a thing.

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China will give you a visa for investing money or founding a company.

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that kind of requires you to be rich

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If you start a company you can give yourself a job, but you still need to be qualified, i.e. 4 year degree in the relevant field.

Besides, who has $100,000 in cash lying around?

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All 3 of those countries have the same emigration requirements for americans? That’s weird.

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That’s the gist of it for many countries. Some countries have special programs with the US (like Norway or some other snow country), but the funny thing is that the program seems to benefit Americans much more because it allows Americans to become residents quick and all you need is some sort of small business you can easily cook up as a contractor. But as far as I know, they don’t get the same benefits if they go to the us

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No, those requirements are for a visa. None permit immigration IIRC. China has a green card program but it is a joke. You have to basically be a Ph.D. or high wage manager, and you have to prove you have a high salary with your tax receipts. If you’re an ordinary English teacher, you’re class B and China sends you home after your contract is over.

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become a student (nobody over 30)

This is not true. You can do language programs or masters/phd programs above that age. Some countries (like Russia) don’t have age limits at universities.

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I have never once heard of a degree program that actually prevents people under 30 taking the course. People over 30 are less likely to in large part because they tend to have more responsibilities that make studying harder

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I would defect the moment I was able to

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If you are under 40, maybe 45 if you are in good health(40+ years left) then you should take this seriously.

If you don’t want to be old and miserable and living in climate apocalypse balkanization hell then you should take it seriously and make long term plans.

Maybe not everyone is able to prepare for climate change, but that is more of a sad fact. Kind of like telling some European teen in 1890 “get ready you’ll see two world wars right next to you within the next 50 years!”.

Anyway as far as emigration goes Americans are still very privileged. As long as you have education and minimal work experience you’ll be favored over third world nationals everything else being equal. You should make use of this fact if you can.

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“Education” in this case meaning a college degree, something most of us were never able to afford.

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Yeah… Whenever I see talk of getting out of this hellscape that’s the thing that always comes back to bite me.

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