The former Director of the State Food and Drug Administration of the People’s Republic of China Zheng Xiaoyu was executed in an execution van on July 10, 2007.
Sources a NYT article. Any guesses as to what the article actually says?
His father has no sympathy for Zheng Xiaoyu, the State Food and Drug Administration’s former chief, executed on Tuesday.
Nothing about a van or any method of execution. Anything is true when you just lie about it I guess.
If you were to give NATOpedians the benefit of the doubt (big “if”), it’s possible that the NYT originally did publish an unsubstantiated claim about the method of execution and later retracted it without apology or notice. It’s part of the Westoid media’s MO at this point, just look at the recent Hamas r*pe allegations.
Maybe but the page revision shows this reference was added in 2024, the person editing this had access to the current version. All of the links there are shit even the old ones are not any better like this its a story by some caricature named cracker who seems to have built an entire career of being the “Chinese correspondent”, citing “No First Name” Zhang telling an outline of why China might need this. No facts or anything and the only other source is surprise surprise a literal San Francisco based NGO “working to free political prisoners” lol.
This is the standard of wikipedia.
The source: a guy who looks like Adrian Zenz but wearing a mustache and Groucho Marx glasses who goes by “Schmadrian Schmenz.”
Any editors here who wanna nominate this shit for deletion?
This article stays up and they delete Big Floppa’s article (only on the English NATOpedia, ofc)
Really no problem with that? I mean deathpenalty instantly makes you a shit state anyway, but potentially having mobile units that can respond quickly to deathpenalty “worthy” crime?
I don’t see what could go wrong. /s
I think that Benito Mussolini had it coming and fully deserved a death penalty
Maybe articulate what the actual problem you have is instead of using a weight bearing /s
What’s the difference once you cross the line into using the death penalty whether you use an office or an ambulance? The vibes?
There are many problems with the death penalty (in any shape or form) and in my opinion it is very likely a mobile execution center would exacerbate the problems. More technical mistakes, more false executions and of course more potential for abuse, especially from a party that does not have a great human rights track record.
I answered this in a different comment.
edit: because I suck at editing
Even if the by-all-indications-fictional vans were real, the claim is that they’re replacing dedicated static facilities with a smaller number of mobile ones that would just go and set up at a prison as-needed to carry out sentences.
Except the entire thing falls apart with even the slightest scrutiny. Just look at all the things being claimed: that Bad Country is supposedly frivolous and trigger happy and doesn’t value life (unlike the noble and civilized US, where police up and murder over a thousand people a year, there’s a rabid push for more death sentences, there’s a bipartisan consensus eagerly baying for more genocide and ethnic cleansing and both parties breathlessly accuse each other of not being bloodthirsty enough, and mass death and suffering is just casually accepted as necessary for the holy line to go up), but that they then wouldn’t also make sure to have dedicated, reliable facilities on hand for it and instead would rely on a sketchy ambulance with a chair and a poison syringe cabinet; the implication that it would be a rushed fast-response extrajudicial thing is also at odds with the idea of having a mobile facility that’s performing what’s supposed to be a “humane” execution method - if they’re so bloodthirsty and barbarous (“because of their brainpans, you see…”) why bother with something that’s both absurdly convoluted but also really shoddy and sketchy instead of just up and shooting someone?
It’s nonsense: there’s no reasoning behind it nor material motivations and the whole idea is contradictory and absurd.
I didn’t really get that out of it at all, but I developed a skill to see past a lot of the garbage. It was fear-mongering and overall just a scary way of saying China has reduced the use of death penalty, there are better mechanisms in place to prevent unlawful/unnecessary use of death penalty, and a drive to replace gunshot execution with lethal injection. The “victims” included are simply multi-million dollar fraud (essentially) and an abused kid that went on to (cw: violence) rape and kill.
You are right, in that there seems to be no widespread use of this van in the event that it is seriously used.
There is a lot to unpack there.
- My comment is not about if they are real or not, tbh I don’t give a fuck this will not be the reason why I think the CCP sucks ass.
- Who the fuck is talking about the US? Did you not read the part where I said every country with the death penalty sucks? This is just plain whataboutism.
- There are many problems with the death penalty (in any shape or form) and in my opinion it is very likely a mobile execution center would exacerbate the problems. More technical mistakes, more false executions and of course more potential for abuse, especially from a party that does not have a great human rights track record.
- Why bother? For example because it would be stealthier than an execution squad. Or for the same reasons the Nazis invented the Gas chamber: Because it’s more humane. Of course not towards the victims but towards the people doing the killing. It’s easier to cope this way.
I might actually agree with your last point, it does not really make sense. But on the other hand, does it need to make sense to be true? I don’t think so.
But also like I said before: I don’t care and neither answer will change my mind about the CCP.
but potentially having mobile units that can respond quickly to deathpenalty “worthy” crime?
You mean like a SWAT team? WTF are you talking about?
In the spirit of not being one-sided and not jumping to conclusions I tried to look into the few sources Wikipedia (English and German) cites and this “mobile execution van” concept in general
Most of the western articles about this either had no source for their claims or cited some official somewhere in China or some employee in a car company under a partial name or pseudonym. Also not a lot of concrete claims someone could check out in many of these articles, more like storytelling weirdly
But I really don’t know anything about the death penalty in China and I don’t speak Chinese so I’m stuck with reading these shitty western sources
