Been seeing a lot of people coming in here handwringing about ‘red fash’ and ‘muh authoritarianism.’
Figuring that this will be a common occurrence for a while, so wanted to make a collective thread here. The purpose of this is to just have one spot as so we don’t fill up the comm with a ton of posts about it.
Post away, comrades!
Authoritarianism is when the left has a government
Authoritarianism is when you resist being crushed into paste by the capitalist powers of the world.
Authoritarianism is when the left calls out genocidal language and defends itself against genocidal actions by fascists actively perpetrating genocide
seems kinda authoritarian to limit where we can dunk on people calling s authoritarian
I wonder how many of these dipshits are just on lemmy due to reddit’s blackout and will migrate back over once their reactionary sub of choice comes back online? It’s pretty fast how quickly they astrotrufed lemmy and turned it into another lib/chud hangout.
Wake up babe, time for your daily tankie concern post:
human rights atrocities like Tiannenmen Square and the Holodomor
The "I’m pretty pro-left/socialist " only have one joke.
“Hey fellow leftists! Don’t we all like to obsess about the zero people run over by tanks in Tienanmen Square because we like to repeat CIA propaganda? And misspell the name to show how much we care? Also, have you hear this Nazi holocaust denial about a double genocide where the people that saved Europe from the Nazis are actually bad? Yeah, socialism is repeating things the CIA and Nazis make up about Actually Existing Socialism, and the more falsehoods you spread, the more pro-left you are.”
These are the same people who say they prefer socialism and not communism, and when asked why or what they mean they’ll turn their mouths into a portal leading directly to Langley Virginia
Thing is, there’s plenty of valid criticism from Marxist-Leninists about the actions of the USSR and PRC in those specific instances. The CPC themselves will tell you they could have handled certain things better (and they’ve improved since then). The issue is the fact this user brings up those two events in particular and specifically label it “the Holodomor” which means you’ll know what to expect.
(That said, it’s important to separate baby leftists from libs acting in bad faith, and to be patient with the former. Lots of us have been there)
The issue is, and always has been, that it is possible to educate baby leftists when the majority are “tankies”. When the majority of a forum are libs acting in bad faith, there is no sustainable way to sort through the nonsense.
Burnout is a real thing that needs to be accounted for.
I tried to write a comment in response to that. I tried to put on my “nice” hat. I dunno why I try, it’s not like they’re gonna listen. Tried to use the BBC as a source, because they’re “trustworthy” (lmao) to hopefully create some kind of doubt in their heads. I just know that when I became a leftist I was still a little “But, like, I heard about what they did in Tiananmen, isn’t that true?”, and when sources were thrown at me, I started to question my own opinions, and actually changed them very quickly. Maybe I’m naive though.
Let’s see how many downvotes I get :michael-laugh:
Edit: Oh, and sorry for not being able to source Holodomor counterpoints. I’ve yet to read up on like concrete sources that can disprove things to people who are innundated by propaganda. I’m afraid that bringing up that Stalin isn’t a Wizard, and can’t just cast a famine spell isn’t enough. And like the whole, Ukraine weren’t the only ones affected by the famine. And the famines do actually happen in regions in that time. I’d love if someone has some good lib sources that can disprove it. Because libs get extreme cognitive dissonance when you tell them that The BBC agrees with us.
With the famine, you don’t need to prove that it didn’t happen, and you don’t need to prove that the USSR didn’t fuck up, but you can find the stats on who died where and see that Ukraine wasn’t specifically targeted, nor was any other ethnicity, which means it wasn’t a “genocide” which has a specific definition.
It was a tragedy and one of many failures of the USSR, but those things need to be weighed against the successes of the USSR, and the failures of comparable capitalist states, especially in similar historical contexts.
At the rate things have been going, I expect they just deleted your comment
The only claim regarding the 1930s famine that you need to combat is the claim that it was a genocide. Historians J.Arch Getty, Mark Tauger, and even the conservative anti-communist Robert Conquest don’t believe it to be a genocide.
Here’s Mark Tauger’s review of Applebaum’s book on the Holodomor:
https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/169438
Here’s stuff about the way the “holodomor genocide” narrative about the 1930s famine has its roots in holocaust-denial:
Do we really have to federate with these chauvinists
(As in like beehaw and maybr lemmy.world, lemmygrad is cool)
Do we really have to federate with these chauvinists
No. Lemmygrad is a must, just because the communities would mesh pretty well. Lemmy.ml is a good idea because it’s a leftist-friendly common ground where we can dunk on loser libs with an audience. There are probably other small instances that would be neutral to good to federate with.
Also the leftist Mastodon instance https://toots.matapacos.dog/
Lemmy.world link https://lemmy.world/post/125220
Go dunk on them on Lemmy not here :possum:
You can easily make an account on lemmy in a minute, use a throwaway email https://tempm.com/
I really have no opinion, but people are gonna make posts about it anyways, so I figured we could at least contain it here so that those who dont want to see the posts arent bombarded with them.
Requesting c/brigades c/cadre, a place to post Lemmy dunks
Upbear here https://hexbear.net/post/272671
