The kid supposedly just walked up and punched my kid in the cheek in class, and chased them with scissors just a few days ago (corroborated by the teacher).

I know shit happens, and they’re a resilient kid, so it’s not too big a deal. But I also want to raise hell to get this kid away from them. What’s the next incident going to be?

I understand the structural and societal issues here - the kid probably doesn’t have a great home life, and the school doesn’t really have anything they can do that will help him.

Idk, just feeling conflicted and looking for thoughts.

I got in two fist fights when I was in elementary school provoked by this kid that had a lot of issues. The other kid ended up getting the worst of it in both fights but even when it happened I kinda felt bad for him because he obviously wasn’t okay mentally and I didn’t enjoy hitting him. I don’t remember how my parents handled it but I would like to imagine they demanded a safe environment for me and an effort to address this other kid’s problems rather than just worrying about me and demonizing him.

Teach your child how and when to fight, when to flee, and when to talk to an authority, because those are important lessons to learn and they’ll probably need all of them one day, but dont be afraid to request the necessary care for this other kid either. Maybe the kid just needs to be talked to or maybe they need a serious intervention but either way it’s gonna be more likely to happen if you ask for it than if you don’t.

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First, I would recommend not taking parenting advice from people jumping in who are clearly not parents, and also who seem like they have never been around children since they themselves were children judging by the harsh way they talk about them.

I’m not sure the exact age range we’re talking about, but it seems like we’re looking at elementary-school students, so the fact that people are coming out swinging with insults and promotion of violence is deeply troubling. I’m not sure about the country either, but wherever it is it seems quite likely that the teachers themselves are overworked, underfunded, and provided little to no support for actually addressing problems like this.

It’s fantastic that you are already open to considering what this other child is going through and aren’t immediately seeking to villainize him: what a lot of people don’t realize, and what a lot of schools aren’t equipped to handle, is that learning disabilities often present with behavioural issues. Without the proper resources, this becomes a difficult situation for everyone involved.

Now, as you rightly pointed out, the school likely has little they can do for this child whether the behaviour stems from issues at home, from an unaddressed learning disability, whatever. There are countless reasons that could lead to this, but very little that can be done to solve it the way our current system sets kids up to fail.

I normally wouldn’t bother with this preamble, as none of it relates to your parenting, but it’s pretty unnerving to see a bunch of people promoting violence among children. As the adults that should obviously not be something we encourage. I am not against teaching self-defense, of course, but self-defense does not come from actively escalating conflict. In fact, good self-defense also teaches de-escalation.

Your child’s safety is important. You need to assess whether this is a pattern: you described an incident (or potentially two incidents) in a very short time period. Do you know if this is an escalation of previous conflict? Do you know if anything triggered this escalation? Is there conflict with other children?

What methods does the teacher use to de-escalate conflict? Are there opportunities to make amends?

Depending on their age: are the children likely to be together unsupervised? Are they likely to be together outside of the classroom at all? These can help you gauge what the actual risk potential is.

And most importantly: how does your child actually feel? Do they feel targeted? Are they scared of this classmate? Is it possible that your anger about the incident is colouring your child’s reaction? It’s very easy to get lost in “parental protection” that places your own feelings and desires for your child’s welfare above the things your child thinks and feels about their welfare. They were the one present. They were the one hit. They are the one interacting with their classmate. What do they want?

These aren’t questions I’m looking for an answer to, they’re questions you need to ask to figure out the best way to keep your child safe. An important part of a child’s growth is providing them with an established support system where they feel safe to talk to you when conflicts arise: not because you necessarily have all the answers, but because you will let their feelings be what matters, and not swallow them with your own feelings. With your support, you can help your child navigate coming to their own conclusions about what would be a good solution going forward (is that avoiding the other student? is it learning to de-escalate or to recognize triggers? is it just…making up because it was a one-off thing and not a real pattern of bullying?).

As a parent it feels like you have to be able to swoop in and protect your child from the world, but most importantly is helping your child learn to face (or know when to walk away from) conflict so that they have the self-confidence to overcome friction with others on their own (and finding the help of adults/others is definitely still in the toolkit of “on their own,” because in a community we are never truly alone).

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This is really helpful, thank you! Thank you for adding the point about helping the child come to their own conclusions as well. I appreciate it!

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The kid supposedly just walked up and punched my kid in the cheek in class, and chased them with scissors just a few days ago (corroborated by the teacher).

I’d want to know if this kid is doing this to the other kids in the room, or just yours. So, is it targeted, or is this kid a general terror? Your kid probably has a good sense which one it is.

Also, it’s not clear to be but are these two separate incidents separated by “just a few days”, or did both those things happen “just a few days ago”? If this is two offenses, I would most likely be talking to the teacher at a minimum.

I know shit happens, and they’re a resilient kid, so it’s not too big a deal. But I also want to raise hell to get this kid away from them. What’s the next incident going to be?

How does it make your kid feel? They might be resilient outwardly, but I would wonder if they’re internalizing some feelings about it. You would obviously know better than me. Being chased with scissors (even if they are just safety scissors) paints a serious image.

I understand the structural and societal issues here - the kid probably doesn’t have a great home life, and the school doesn’t really have anything they can do that will help him.

We can be sympathetic to the aggressive kid while still seeking the safety of our own.

Walking a dual path here might be helpful. On one path, try and work through the system in the school, and figure out what that system is (if anything). On the other, talk with your kid about this student, who the student is being aggressive towards, and discuss ways your kid could become a less desirable target. There is also power in numbers, and if this kid is picking on other kids, it might be worth it to ask your kid to talk to those other kids too. Build solidarity with anyone else being harassed.

It’s also worth it to keep your kid informed about what you’re doing on the other path, and why. We know that in many cases, kids who defend themselves against aggression are often lumped together with the aggressor because “all violence is bad.” This means, unfortunately, you have to be building a case along the way. Taking it a step at a time, documenting phone calls and emails, and escalating to higher authorities when you hit roadblocks shows that you’re trying to “Play by the rules”. So when your kid decides to defend themselves physically, you can point to this history and your documentation showing that not many other options were left on the table.

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This is a really helpful response, thank you! Punching was the second incident, the scissors was a few days before. My kid does seem to be feeling strong feelings about it. They’re in kinder, so it’s hard to get a read on exactly what the classroom’s like, but it doesn’t seem to be isolated to my kid.

That’s a good re-framing of following up with the principal as “covering bases for when my kid defends themselves” instead of just “complaining to the manager”. I appreciate your input!

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the school doesn’t really have anything they can do that will help him

I’m not a parent nor am I fit to ever be one but I’d suggest getting the school to step in. That other child seems to be a danger to every kid in the class and will probably grow up to be a dangerous person. If you’re friends with other parents maybe you could go as a group to demand the jobbers and hacks in the school administration to get off their useless asses and do something about this child safety risk.

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a kid starting a fight doesn’t mean they’re “probably” going to become a “dangerous person” lmao, just like stealing a candy bar doesn’t mean they’re destined for a life of crime. you know what will do that is an experience of social ostracization and punishment by everyone who has power over them from a young age. some of yall are so fucking carceral and you don’t even know it.

insane thing is this is the kind of thing most teachers and authority figures actually believe.

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a kid starting a fight doesn’t mean they’re “probably” going to become a “dangerous person” lmao

Yes I agree that part is very hyperbolic and wrong of me to say. Main point was that the other kid is a danger in the present because they physically assault their peers and if this behaviour isn’t corrected they will learn its ok to do so.

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What was the punishment for all that? Sounds like that wasn’t punished much. So that means your kid is free to hit them back without much worry. I recommend teaching you child the self defence power of professional wrestling. Exaggeration aside, teaching them that pain and blood are tolerable and injury is unlikely. The world contains violence they are unable definitively avoid. And that working the crowd is the key to victory. Those lessons probably are important for a child growing up in our modern era

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