From all the concern trolling I see in the other instances it’s clear that there’s no winning over these people. Everything is “Kremlin propaganda” to them. I do think a lot of chapos did go a little overboard with the PPB, but even thoughtful responses were met with the “hateful rhetoric” and “Kremlin talking points” BS. As always, it is to the Global South we must look to for any hope in the future…
Annoying internet arguments aside, the people on the ground in the core also face the most expansive and advanced police state mankind has created yet. This makes doing anything close to truly subversive impossible without extreme precautions. Some Ferguson organizers dying (being murdered imo) comes to mind.
can you link me to any reporting on that? I haven’t read anything specifically but I believe it.
I’ll have to do some research but the killing of Daunte Wright was sus and I think there was another Fed style execution of a blm guy out west around the same period
I searched Ferguson and got some stuff about BLM protests in reaction to the murder of an 18 year old. Was there something more recent or was this what you were referring to?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/puzzling-number-men-tied-ferguson-protests-have-died-n984261
yes the shooting of Michael Brown from 10 years ago. Weird to type out, goddamn
Two young men were found dead inside torched cars
Ah yes, a very normal and non-suspicious death that happens normally
plz explain. do you hold hope for america? I feel like the Ukraine thing is just because the way democrats just rallied behind another proxy war, and when you say that they go BOT!!
Also to expand on this, the vast majority of people in the US who consider themselves progressive, who are likely the ones that could otherwise be convinced to join in to a labor movement, are exactly the ones who have been persuaded to believe the #1 priority for good people™ is to support Ukraine. They have also been persuaded to believe that anyone who says otherwise is a threat to freedom and democracy™. In short, the war propaganda has reset a lot of the progress we made during the Trump years where people started to see how broken and irreconcilable was, by giving them false consciousness.
I was extremely polite in that lemm.ee thread, admitted we could stand to tone it down a bit, even called out a rude post from one of our own, and I only got hostility from them in response. There’s literally nothing we can do to not be called wreckers
You’re not wrong but I’m surprised it was an online forum thing that made you realize this
It hurts me a billion times more hearing absurd anti-communist and reactionary statements irl
It’s frustrating, I agree. But “shitposting leftie site interacts with some other echo chambers for a week and has some non-constructive disagreements” is not really a datum from which to draw any wider conclusions.
Personally, I’ve seen at least five users on separate occasions ask questions in good faith and concede points. If anything I’ve been surprised by some of the positive responses to our community, rather than being 100% rebuffed from the get-go.
Yeah sometimes I’ll see you guys engage with one of these people politely and informatively and they just go “UGH, can we defederate from Hexbear please? This brigading, trolling and propaganda is annoying.😤💅”
But I’ve also seen a couple come to us because “I wanted to see what you were about and you weren’t as bad as people were saying.”
