Everyone who is anti choice and against gay marriage belongs in a re education camp

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I think Roe might be toast. I get the point that Republicans need to keep it around to get Evangelicals riled up, but frankly it’s no longer in the GOP’s hands. It’s all about how the 6 conservative justices on the court will rule on Roe given a direct attack. I feel 3 of them (Thomas, Alito, and Amy Kevin Garnett) will definitely vote to overturn. It only takes 2 of the other 3, so who knows.

And if Roe is overturned, that’s only the beginning of the fight for evangelicals and catholics. All overturning Roe does is make it a state issue. So probably 35-40 states keep abortion legal, and 10-15 backwards-ass states make it illegal. The next step for evangelicals, and what they will be fighting tooth and nail for, is a national abortion ban. Just need a GOP president and control of both houses to make that happen. And maybe that doesn’t happen until 2024 at the earliest, but I guarantee you anti-abortionists will be pushing hard for it.

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Naw, these issues are way too useful to string along both chuds and liberals alike. Look how effective the spectre of Roe has been this cycle for both riling up Trump’s base and manufacturing consent for Biden. Much more useful to keep fearmongering about it without ever actually taking that step.

A carrot on a stick loses its effectiveness if you actually feed it to the donkey. They’ll keep waving this carrot around right up until the system collapses.

Trump himself and his idiot Evangelical supporters might be oblivious to this game, but the party leadership and the judges themselves almost certainly aren’t.

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Much more useful to keep fearmongering about it without ever actually taking that step.

This is true to an extent, but you can only do the Charlie Brown football gag so many times before the base refuses to be fooled. This is essentially what happened to the Republican Party with Trump’s election. The Neocons may still be pulling the levers on “boring” foreign policy matters, but they have entirely lost the party to the tea party and qanon cranks. The Democrats have been more successful in smothering their populists, but they too will reach a breaking point.

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You bring up a good point.

I do think that Trump’s base has shown a remarkable capacity for coming up with excuses for his failure, though. I could easily see them coming up with a new Q theory about how the deep state sickos and Crissey Teigen sabotaged his holy mission to save the babies, but if we just trust the plan then in 2024 blah blah blah

But you are right that even they must have a breaking point eventually, and it may be that even Trump can’t control them for much longer without providing some sort of victory.

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If the filibuster goes away and Democrats win Congress/White House then legislation about this could pass

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