He’s absolutely right but I’m surprised he was able to sit through the movie considering they never show lady gagas feet
Hot take: Quentin Tarantino is the most overrated living director. His only good movies were Jackie Brown and Pulp Fiction. Everything else is a parody of itself (not in a good way) because he just takes scenes from other movies, mashes them together in a nonlinear story, then has everyone die because he doesn’t know how to write an ending to the incoherent plot he’s spliced together from better filmmakers.
I also suspect he was buddy-buddy with Harvey Weinstein but managed to slip under the radar because he avoids talking about his personal life.
it sure is quite something when you watch lady snowblood and realize that tarantino actually means “stealing” when he says “stealing” and that the originals always have a coolness to them tarantino couldn’t even dream of
Lady Snowblood
The Japanese manga by the guy who made Lone Wolf and cub
Tarantino fully stole it? You mean Kill Bill right ?
I believe he was talking about the film from 1973, which Kill Bill heavily homages (or rips off, depending on how charitable you’re feeling) but shit, I never knew Lady Snowblood was originally a manga.
quentin tarantino laughing his head off watching the worst film of the year in an entirely empty cinema in tel aviv is kind of a joker moment ig
He was in the theater with Matt actually (CW: Cum Town)
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I saw the film last night and I enjoyed it. It was a bit long and could have done with better editing. They should have leaned harder into the musical elements. But it wasn’t the train wreck I’d been led to believe it was.
I recommend people see it and make their own minds up
i rlly want to see it. i want it to be a proper musical but it sounds like it’s not :(
is it like the Barbie movie where it’s mostly just scenes that put more importance on the music and only one proper musical scene with singing and choreography?
I’d say there are maybe 8 to 10 musical numbers. They are all very short though and they are often interrupted. The movie is not a musical and anyone who says it is has clearly never seen a musical. About half of the numbers take place in some sort of liminal musical reality whilst the others take place directly where the characters are in the moment. I think they work very well which is why I wanted to see more of them. Sometimes it felt like they were scared to commit.
The rest of the film was good I thought, and I was never bored. I just wish they’d got the most out of the concept. It’s sad that this will probably be the end of this continuity as I think it could have continued (albeit in a different direction).
About half of the numbers take place in some sort of liminal musical reality whilst the others take place directly where the characters are in the moment.
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That’s to show were Arthur begins dissociating and when the Joker instead of Arthur is fronting. Arthur and the Joker are headmates, they’re distinct personalities sharing one body, and the difference between song and dance with a subdued instrumental score in the normal set vs full musical number with change of scenery has a purpose in narrating what is going on with the system that is constituted by these two headmates (and possibly more, although their existence is only hinted at). I have just seen the movie and haven’t yet talked about it with a friend who’s both a massive musical and film nerd and also plural, so i’m gonna withhold judgement on how well they handled this topic, but it’s fairly obvious to anybody who’s spent some time with people with plural experiences that Arthur and the Joker are supposed to be different ego states within a system. It’s also expressly stated in the film even though it uses outdated language like “multiple personality” and Harvey Dent acts purposefully ignorant on what that means and how to recognize it, but it’s very clearly shown as well.
I also think this shows how ingrained ableism is with the chuds who criticize the movie - you can show the Joker as a “mentally ill loser in a society that doesn’t care” and they clap as long as they can hallucinate him as a fight club tough guy sigma, but when you go all in on what “mentally ill loser in a society that doesn’t care” means, how forensic psychiatry and legal institutions treat a neurodivergent person, when you realistically show what is going on inside their head, when you detail the complex trauma in their past, when you compellingly show their weakness and violation and pain, these hogs cannot handle it.
just watched it and still have no idea how to feel about it, but damn that was a bold swing and I gotta respect that. props to Mr. Hangover for making something that strange, experimental and risky for a major studio film. I agree, people should see the movie for themselves before judging it. a lot of people will jump on the hate train just because they see a low rotten tomatoes score and that’s sad
I notice that this narrative is getting passed around. There’s this idea that the movie was specifically made to piss off the people who liked the first one. I’ve also seen the weird term “Hollywood humiliation ritual” being thrown around again.
But why would a studio spend millions of dollars to do this? I just don’t get it.
It really has vibes of (((Hollywood))) attempting to humiliate a certain demographic (white males) by degrading their cultural iconography.
It just seems like a really chud way to frame the narrative. Wouldn’t they actually try to make money by producing the same slop for the same audience?
this idea that the movie was specifically made to piss off the people who liked the first one
yeah I don’t really buy this either. in fact the whole idea that Joker (2019) has some horrible fanbase is entirely socially constructed and not based in reality. the narrative that the movie was for “incels” was created before the film even came out and persists to this day, even though Arthur Fleck never actually did become a symbol that incels rallied around. the fact is that all sorts of people liked the movie for all sorts of reasons (and plenty of people disliked it too)
there’s no way Todd Phillips hates everyone who liked Joker. he probably likes it himself, having directed the film. he made Joker 2 for the people who enjoyed the first film as a character study of a broken man let down by the system and how alienation can lead to senseless violence. he very explicitly did not make it for the people who wanted Joker 2: Joker vs Batman, which is what Quentin is getting at here.
